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Libya
Mar 30, 2011 23:26:28 GMT 1
Post by Ann1 on Mar 30, 2011 23:26:28 GMT 1
Business people will do anything for a buck!!!  Including "sleeping with the enemy". Personally, I wouldn't bother with the Middle East, I'd let them get on with it, and see who comes out on top! We are far to quick to stick our noses in other peoples' business, imagine what would happen if some foreign power, "invaded" us, and started telling us how to live!!!  If they want to live in the Stone Age, let them, and if they don't, then let their own people deal with it. That's what the rebels are trying to do, unfortunately, they need to get more of the people "on board" and turn of Gadaffi! He still has a lot of support.
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Libya
Mar 30, 2011 23:48:22 GMT 1
Post by Shadow on Mar 30, 2011 23:48:22 GMT 1
Are you sure thats what the rebels want? Are they fighting for democracy or are they inflammed by what has happened in other places and hoping to take control themselves? If they take Tripoli will they then surrender it if the majority vote them out? One things for sure-despite our efforts the rebels are currently retreating-so can we take it that some are pro Gaddafi |
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Libya
Mar 30, 2011 23:51:49 GMT 1
Post by LeazesEnder47 on Mar 30, 2011 23:51:49 GMT 1
 2 VERY GOOD POSTS Ann!! Unfortunately, if we left the Middle East alone particularly Saudi Arabia, Al-Qaeda would most certainly get a foothold and then the s**t really would hit the fan!! 
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Libya
Mar 30, 2011 23:52:11 GMT 1
Post by Roma on Mar 30, 2011 23:52:11 GMT 1
Business people will do anything for a buck!!! Including "sleeping with the enemy". Personally, I wouldn't bother with the Middle East, I'd let them get on with it, and see who comes out on top! We are far to quick to stick our noses in other peoples' business, imagine what would happen if some foreign power, "invaded" us, and started telling us how to live!!! If they want to live in the Stone Age, let them, and if they don't, then let their own people deal with it. That's what the rebels are trying to do, unfortunately, they need to get more of the people "on board" and turn of Gadaffi! He still has a lot of support. I'm in agreement with Ann on this, why can't these countries sort it out themselves, I think they might be able to without any interference from others. |
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Libya
Mar 30, 2011 23:53:34 GMT 1
Post by danc on Mar 30, 2011 23:53:34 GMT 1
Unfortunately Ann that is something we cannot do. We cannot leave the middle east alone because we 'need' their oil supplies. Why? Because from the moment we leave the crib we are told that oil is running out. We are told this so much so that governments seem to act to grab the worlds oil supply.
The problem with this huge illusion is that there are huge amounts of oil we can drill for. It's a mix of false economics and greed that drives the prices up...
If you earned £1 billion a year from selling oil would sit back and be chuffed or would you perpetuate the myth that your supply is running out, thus driving up prices and turning that £1b into £2 or £3b? That's what's happening and scientists these days go into science for the money.
There are very few 'true scientists' to whom science is a vocation and the few that do consider science a calling are, at best, middle management types. The rest are told by their megarich employers what they need to 'discover' and what figures need to fit what 'facts'.
The fact is we have more than enough oil to keep humanity ticking over until nuclear power becomes our main source of energy.
There are other vast resources we can tap that will see us absolutely fine. It does make you wonder if all these 'new world order'/'illuminati' conspiracy theorists are telling the truth... I sorta wish they were but unfortunately I reckon it's just plain old human greed that is causing all this death and destruction.
So greed will keep us in the middle east. Ironically making folks in the middle east even richer. If we it wasn't for greed we'd exploit America/Canadas oil shale reserves which has between 2.8 and 3.3 trillion barrels. The problem is that production is more expensive than crude oil and the 'environmental impact' is far greater.
*shrugs*
Greed is creating an illusion that will keep us in the Middle East.
Rant over
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Libya
Mar 30, 2011 23:57:26 GMT 1
Post by Roma on Mar 30, 2011 23:57:26 GMT 1
Good rant thought  |
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Libya
Mar 31, 2011 0:09:52 GMT 1
Post by LeazesEnder47 on Mar 31, 2011 0:09:52 GMT 1
In one Danc  |
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Libya
Mar 31, 2011 10:22:22 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2011 10:22:22 GMT 1
The Day humanity wakes up to the realisation everyone is in this together will not only save the Planet, but ensure we as a species are here to benefit from it! If Governments and Global Corporations invested half as much money into; food to feed everyone, medical supplies and research to save those who are ill or dying from disease, environmentally friendly technologies to remove the dependency upon carbon based fuels, instead of weapons to destroy each other and threaten our very existence, we would all be a lot better off. Unfortunately we look as far away from that happening as ever............. Rant over............. CWL  |
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Libya
Mar 31, 2011 10:57:00 GMT 1
Post by Ann1 on Mar 31, 2011 10:57:00 GMT 1
There is no money in those things though CWL, in fact it would cost a hell of a lot more!! Just think though, what would happen if they eradicated poverty and most diseases. This planet would actually be in a worse state, as people wouldn't die in the numbers they do now, so overcrowding would be horrendous!!! We think it's overcrowded now, it would be nowt to what it would be, if people didn't die like they do now!!!!
I know that sounds heartless, but if you think of it in terms of our own country. If they "cured" most of what kills people (I don't know how many die every year of something or other) what you'd be left with is accidents and old age (and people are now living even longer!!) how long do you think it would take for Britain to become overcrowded? Before long they'd be building on places like the Town Moor, just to keep up with demand!!
If you take a cure for cancer for instance, a whole industry has grown up around that!! I reckon they found a cure years ago, but it's not in the interests of "vested interests" to announce that fact! Sorry, I'm going way off on tangents now  They've probably found an alternative to oil as well, but are keeping it under wraps for the same reason!!!
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Libya
Mar 31, 2011 11:55:07 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2011 11:55:07 GMT 1
I have noticed not one of the African nations haven't supported the action or the no fly zone over Libya. Dangerous ground to cover when most of the African countries murder there own citizens as a matter of course. When people turn a blind eye best to keep a low profile. |
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Libya
Apr 1, 2011 13:03:50 GMT 1
Post by Ann1 on Apr 1, 2011 13:03:50 GMT 1
Don't you just love that name, Moussa Coussa  I think it's hilarious ;D
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Libya
Apr 1, 2011 13:40:02 GMT 1
Post by Nattfare on Apr 1, 2011 13:40:02 GMT 1
Don't you just love that name, Moussa Coussa I think it's hilarious ;D Very funny name. |
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Libya
Apr 1, 2011 14:00:20 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 14:00:20 GMT 1
There is no money in those things though CWL, in fact it would cost a hell of a lot more!! Just think though, what would happen if they eradicated poverty and most diseases. This planet would actually be in a worse state, as people wouldn't die in the numbers they do now, so overcrowding would be horrendous!!! We think it's overcrowded now, it would be nowt to what it would be, if people didn't die like they do now!!!!
I know that sounds heartless, but if you think of it in terms of our own country. If they "cured" most of what kills people (I don't know how many die every year of something or other) what you'd be left with is accidents and old age (and people are now living even longer!!) how long do you think it would take for Britain to become overcrowded? Before long they'd be building on places like the Town Moor, just to keep up with demand!!
If you take a cure for cancer for instance, a whole industry has grown up around that!! I reckon they found a cure years ago, but it's not in the interests of "vested interests" to announce that fact! Sorry, I'm going way off on tangents now They've probably found an alternative to oil as well, but are keeping it under wraps for the same reason!!! Ann who exactly are 'They' you refer too? Also why should individual wealth come into it or the need to turn a profit which only a choosen few will benefit from? The major problem as I see it is a reluctance for much of humanity to change for the better. Starting with the collective wealth, natural resources of the Planet and human ingenuity employed for the mutual benefit of all. Never going to happen of course because individual greed, self gratification and lust for power will all prevent it from becoming a reality. I'm unable to agree with you about an anticipated population explosion or the threat of over crowding should certain types of disease etc. be eradicated. The same goes for a cure for cancer being available, but kept quiet because it suits someones personal agenda. I just find them either scientific or political scare mongering, or too much of a conspiracy theory without a shred of real evidence to fully believe it would not be leaked. As for people continuing to die from starvation, disease and war as a means of population control then all I can say is it's working a treat so far.  CWL  |
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Libya
Apr 1, 2011 16:37:27 GMT 1
Post by Ann1 on Apr 1, 2011 16:37:27 GMT 1
"They" are the ones who control the wealth and wield the power! And yes it is individual greed that stops things happening. You only have to see the outcry by some, when there is a threatened tax rise!! Yet the ones shouting the loudest are the ones who can afford it! When they said CB was getting cut from those who earned in excess of £40,000 all hell broke loose. If you cannot manage on 40 grand without handouts, then there is something sadly lacking in your budgeting system!!
As for overpopulation, what do you think would happen if people didn't die in the amounts they do now? Of course there would be overpopulation, it's heading that way now. People are living longer, hence the pension crisis, and if all illness and disease disappeared as well, we'd be in a right old stew! Standing room only!
The worlds' resources are dwindling fast, just to keep up with the demands of the worlds' population. They are desperately trying to find alternative methods of power generation, why, because people demand dishwashers, latest gizmos etc. How about stop making energy greedy things instead? Why do kids have to have a TV in their bedrooms?? My daughter has 5 TV's FGS!!! The only room that hasn't got one is the bloody bathroom!!! She has a dishwasher, why?? They are all capable of using their arms and hands!!!
As for a cure for cancer, and other things, I'll go along with the conspiracy theorists
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Libya
Apr 1, 2011 18:55:31 GMT 1
Post by Jazz on Apr 1, 2011 18:55:31 GMT 1
Aye, food for thought, may be something in what you say. Getting the concrete evidence to prove it, if true, will be difficult, to say the least.
The Middle East "humanitarian" crisis and the possible "oil" crisis and the West's intervention there on the strength of the former illustrates the problem of the points raised in first paragraph.
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Including "sleeping with the enemy". Personally, I wouldn't bother with the Middle East, I'd let them get on with it, and see who comes out on top! We are far to quick to stick our noses in other peoples' business, imagine what would happen if some foreign power, "invaded" us, and started telling us how to live!!! 
If they want to live in the Stone Age, let them, and if they don't, then let their own people deal with it. That's what the rebels are trying to do, unfortunately, they need to get more of the people "on board" and turn of Gadaffi! He still has a lot of support.
