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Post by Captain Marvel on Feb 1, 2011 23:00:33 GMT 1
The only thing that is obvious is that some of us are never going to agree on this. Carroll's gone and the truth behind the happenings at SJP yesterday will never be known. Almost all that is written and stated above by all of us is either conjecture or speculation based on edited snippets from the media. That is true Fairsy but think about it? Your pitting a twenty two year old with possibly limited education against the likes of Ashley, llambastic, and Pardew on this! Its not only unbelievable, its ridiculous! ;D ATB |
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Post by Fairscup on Feb 1, 2011 23:05:24 GMT 1
If you read back CM you'll see that I'm with you on this. It his smacked of Ashley all along IMO.
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Post by Captain Marvel on Feb 1, 2011 23:06:50 GMT 1
CM, NUFC was a circus long before this lot arrived. The Fat Controller  is just the latest ringmaster  so when he cracks the whip everyone jumps. CWL  We`ve had two fat controllers in a row I wonder what awaits us? ;D ATB |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Feb 1, 2011 23:12:06 GMT 1
If you read back CM you'll see that I'm with you on this. It his smacked of Ashley all along IMO. I`m just blowing in the wind fairsy been boiling up since last nights fiasco seeing them trying to get Nzogbia back with 30 minutes left on the clock offering 10 then 12 mil for someone who walked away from us not so long ago!!  ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 23:25:53 GMT 1
One thing for sure Ashley's media machine would rival that of Joseph Goebbels propaganda team. He still seems somehow to be able to fool some of the people most of the time................ CWL  |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Feb 1, 2011 23:36:47 GMT 1
One thing for sure Ashley's media machine would rival that of Joseph Goebbels propaganda team. He still seems somehow to be able to fool some of the people most of the time................ CWL The guy I work for now is very rich he comes across as a Saint but underneath he is a cold, hard, businessman, just our like Mikey. His cohorts are just like Ashley`s, bend the truth like there`s no tomorrow, sell there souls for a penny(or two). ATB |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Feb 1, 2011 23:43:37 GMT 1
I do like this it is a fair assessment of NUFC.
Newcastle United - A Selling Club Since 1892
Posted by Marc Duffy 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
"This is my home, what I want to be doing, the club I want to play for, the shirt I want to wear. That's it, 100 percent, I've just signed a five year contract and as it stands, I want to be here forever."
The words of Andy Carroll 65 days ago in an interview with The Times.
"We have to have a big club mentality and hold on to our best players"
Alan Pardew 42 days ago
Andy Carroll sold to Liverpool
1 day ago
So what is going on? I doubt we will ever know the truth. Carroll claims that he was pushed and the club totally deny that they pushed him (as they would).
George Caulkin of The Times (the greatest footy journo that there is) summed it up nicely when he tweeted "Carroll was not agitating to leave. He wasn't unsettled. And, yes, the transfer request was a mechanism used by NUFC. But..... he signed it."
Both parties are culpable. It can't be a surprise to anyone that this sale happened so late that we did not have time to sign a replacement. The token gesture that was an 'attempt' to sign Charles N'Zogbia was an insult. Does anyone really believe that Ashley's bitter rival Dave Whelan was going to sell his prize asset to him minutes before the window closed? Of course not.
Pardew had his say on the matter today, ending his statement with "....the decision was right for the club." Quite a turn around in 6 weeks.
It is OK though because Pardew can assure us that all of the mental £35m fee will go towards players. Then again he also assured us that none of our key players would be sold in the window so personally I don't believe a word. Amazingly Ashley still has support amongst the fans and those supporters will be mentally considering how they (or Pardew) will spend the $$$$$$$. If you are one of those people could you do me a favour and remind me where the tens of millions from Milner, Given, Beye, N'Zogbia and then Martins, Bassong, Duff etc went. Thanks.
Newcastle United usually wait about 6 months between the hoofs that they give us supporters in the private's. This time it is only a matter of weeks since the last one.
The sale did not really surprise me. Why should it? We have been a selling club all of my life - Waddle, Beardsley, Gazza, Cole, Woodgate, Jenas etc It really disappointed me though. The loss to Newcastle is far bigger than the gain for Liverpool and I really fear for our immediate future with a forward line including Shola, Best, Lovenkrands or Ranger. That is not Premier League standard.
Money - some say it is ruining the game. £35million for Carroll is a preposterous fee, but so what? The supporters will not benefit at all - can we celebrate another £35 million in Mike Ashley's bank? Of course not. We did enjoy celebrating a local hero's towering headed goals.
That is not to exonerate Carroll. He signed a new 5 year deal only a matter of weeks ago, but then why would anyone be surprised at his head being turned? ANYONE would be tempted by (and take) what is reported to be a four fold salary increase. He is secured for life and could accumulate generational wealth. He wouldn't have gone short had he stayed on Tyneside though and he would have become a Legend. It must have irked him that other players in the first team were on 3 times the amount he was even with his new contract - if the club (Ashley) wanted to keep him sweet they would have paid him his market worth.
At about the same time this was all taking place Blackpool rejected a 'significant' Liverpool bid for Charlie Adam. Allegedly Adam was furious, a heated discussion took place and the Chairman called TalkSport to state categorically that Adam would be a Blackpool player come February 1st. He was good to his word - yes, there were rumours of Spurs almost pulling off a last minute deal, but they didn't. It is sad that Blackpool appear to be a club with greater ambition than Newcastle United when you consider their relative resources and the fact that adam's contract is 4 years shorter than Carroll's was.
Under the ownership of Ashley we have suffered a humiliating relegation and now most fans pray for mid-table mediocrity. This for a club that had the 6th highest revenue in the country the last full season we were in the Premier League. The club that Deloitte have in the top 20 in Europe in their money league. The club that had the 18th highest average attendance in EUROPE when we were in this country's second tier!
Ashley is well known to be a gambler and once again he has gambled our Premier League status. Last time he made that same gamble, he lost.
Follow me on Twitter @marcsduffy
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Feb 2, 2011 0:10:13 GMT 1
Carroll must be related to Steve Bruce  Attachments:
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Post by Pollypeterborough on Feb 2, 2011 1:32:19 GMT 1
Please lads. But i am still GUTTED. Attachments:
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Post by Fairscup on Feb 2, 2011 8:50:11 GMT 1
hey Polly that could be the next film in the series CARRY ON Supporting  |
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Post by Fairscup on Feb 2, 2011 9:20:01 GMT 1
CM you are blinding yourself from the obvious. Carroll had to make the plea after his move saying bad things about the board (and that he was forced out) as he knew some fans will fall for it. He's no angel himself. He wasn't forced out. He wanted to leave and our greedy owner simply showed him the way out. I'm not surprised what Ashley did. I'm shocked with Carroll. Sorry Magpie, "bad things about the board"you sound like Nick! How anyone could say bad things about the board beggars belief!There is no board there is only Ashley please believe it. you are being brainwashed by wolves in sheep's clothing. ATB Good morning to you all. Now here's a question for yers. If Lambias, Ashley and Pardew were having a mythical discussion in a mythical boardroom (supposedly considering an offer from Liverpool) prior to AC "popping his head around the door" what was there to discuss? How many ways can you say NO?  |
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Post by foggonthetyne on Feb 2, 2011 9:22:06 GMT 1
You dont need to know anything other than the fact that Carroll of his own free will signed for Liverpool.
You need to judge on what people do rather than what they say.
Did Carroll have to go? no
Could Ashley have forced him out? no
Does Carroll want to be able to hold his head up high in the northest? yes
Thus the slaver.
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Feb 2, 2011 10:07:17 GMT 1
You dont need to know anything other than the fact that Carroll of his own free will signed for Liverpool. You need to judge on what people do rather than what they say. Did Carroll have to go? no Could Ashley have forced him out? no Does Carroll want to be able to hold his head up high in the northest? yes Thus the slaver. +1. Join me and Polly in thinking so |
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Feb 2, 2011 10:08:31 GMT 1
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Feb 2, 2011 10:13:51 GMT 1
CM you are blinding yourself from the obvious. Carroll had to make the plea after his move saying bad things about the board (and that he was forced out) as he knew some fans will fall for it. He's no angel himself. He wasn't forced out. He wanted to leave and our greedy owner simply showed him the way out. I'm not surprised what Ashley did. I'm shocked with Carroll. Sorry Magpie, "bad things about the board"you sound like Nick! How anyone could say bad things about the board beggars belief!There is no board there is only Ashley please believe it. you are being brainwashed by wolves in sheep's clothing. ATB Yes it's just Ashley and Llambias on the board. I get that. You still avoid the obvious question - Did Carroll absolutely have to leave us? No. He had a new 5 year contract and the players, manager and fan on his side. Ashley could and did nothing to force him out. Did Ashley do enough to stop Carroll leaving once he put in the request? No. But we all know how our owner is. No surprises there for me. After all it was good money. Like I said before. I'm not surprised with Ashley. But I'm shocked with Carroll. |
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