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Post by Banshee on Sept 18, 2011 12:37:42 GMT 1
Ministers want you to pay more if you earn over £15,000 a year, to work much longer and at the end of your working life, to receive a worse pension.
They have stopped using the Retail Price Index which has been used for decades and, from this year, pensions will only increase in line with the Consumer Price Index - a much worse index. This change alone has reduced the overall value of the pensions by over 10%.
Now, they want to increase your pension contributions by an average of over 50% if you earn above £15,000. It's the equivalent on average of a 3% pay cut.
Not a penny of this major increase in your contributions will go towards improving your pension schemes. Instead it will go to the Treasury. This is an additional unfair tax on public sector workers and is deliberately disguised as money for the pension schemes, which they falsely claim to be unaffordable. The truth is public sector pension funds are cash rich and affordable.
On top of this, they want you to work longer before you can take your pension in full. Even if you have a protected pensionable retirement age of 65, this will be torn up. You will be expected to work until 66, then to 67 and 68 as the state retirement age increases.
We are all already on pay freezes. Strike is always a last resort, but in this case I think we need to strike. We need to stand up for ourselves. Don't believe the government who say that we will all be leaving vulnerable people without support. Last time we had a one day strike we all worked well over time the day before and after, in order to put in support for people we would normally be supporting. We put in extra hours to cover all the work we would normally have done on the strike day. We made sure vulnerable people were protected. Only after doing that did we then go on strike in order to have our views heard.
The only people losing out will be the workers themselves as they Will lose a day's pay. Thats money that a lot of people can not afford to lose. In the short term many people cant afford to strike, but in the long term, we cant afford not to.
Thats my view. What are other people's opinions?
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Post by Shadow on Sept 18, 2011 16:42:10 GMT 1
Im in agreement with the strike.And its not the strike that puts vunerable people in danger but this selling off of services to the private sector as is seen far too often when profits are put before people.Most support workers do not strike as they will not leave the people they work with in any danger however that does not mean they do not fully support strike action.All too often services are maintained by workers going way beyond their job descriptions and hours to keep things running and its taken for granted-Im talking specifically about the NHS here-many give up hours of their own time to ensure continuity of services etc with little or no thanks.
And then they want people working longer for less.Mr Shads has already seen his wages go down drastically in the last year after his transfer to a hospital setting and moral in his new place of work is extremely low now.In all honesty we are wondering whether this job is going to be viable for much longer and are considering private sector jobs as the vast majority of learning difficulty housing has already been transferred to private companies.
At the moment the ward he works on is employing large numbers of bank and agency staff owing to staff shortage-imagine how much worse it could get if more leave.Skills are being lost and standards are falling.As he put it-years back it was regarded as a valued job-these days the attitudes more like "you poor sod"
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Post by Ann1 on Sept 18, 2011 17:57:48 GMT 1
Well, I don't think the strike is a good idea!! What use is a one day strike? If you are going to strike, then go on strike properly!! I know that people like nurses etc cannot strike, but I'm sure there are enough public sector workers that could cause maximum problems, without those who work with vulnerable/sick people, coming out as well.I am sick to death of this soddin' government, cutting things for everyone but their rich cronies! Instead of hitting the worst off, why not close the tax loopholes, that allows the likes of Phillip Green to get away with paying a lot less than he should do! It's about time they kicked these"creative accountants" into touch!! But will they? Will they hell. Anyway I'm all for the strikes, and if I was still working I'd join you all ;D But have a bloody good strike, not these useless day ones!!!
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Post by Shadow on Sept 18, 2011 18:14:07 GMT 1
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Post by Ann1 on Sept 18, 2011 18:28:46 GMT 1
Aye, you're right. I'm not really that keen on the French, but must admit when it comes to stuff like this, they take no prisoners!!! We should take a leaf out of their book. They tend to view rules & laws as suggestions ;D
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Post by Jazz on Sept 18, 2011 19:42:01 GMT 1
I'm too tired to think at the moment....have had a stressful few days....nothing too serious though....will reveal it all at the "Meet" with the added "back up" of Ann 1! However, in general agreement with all of the above.....seconded!
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Post by Shadow on Sept 18, 2011 19:54:50 GMT 1
Seems to have been a difficult time all round Jazz I think it'll be nice to just be able to let off a bit of steam-looking forward to that
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Post by Jazz on Sept 18, 2011 22:38:38 GMT 1
Aye, you're right there Shads, looking forward to our holiday but I've a feeling it could be a bit stressful in Istanbul as well....busy, traffic, big city etc etc.....there's no pleasing some people is there! Stress, stress, stress!!!! I'll be recovered enough for Saturdays "meet"!
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Post by skintagain on Sept 19, 2011 4:42:35 GMT 1
i wish i could go on strike, at one time the British were well known for strikes if the canteen tea was too cold it would be everybody out till it was put right, now it's silly one day strikes that seem to go nowhere.
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Post by Banshee on Sept 25, 2011 15:00:14 GMT 1
I do totally agree that in order to have any real impact, then the strike needs to be more than one day, however that is all that is on offer at the moment. The union is a democracy after all. The very fact that we will all worker longer and harder the day before and after, means that there will be no noticeable impact. I agree with the strike in principle, but I feel that it needs to be at least a week for it to have any sort of impact.
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Post by Banshee on Oct 15, 2011 20:15:47 GMT 1
My ballot paper is filled in and I voted yes. The team at work are divided. Even amongst union members. mostly around the fact that they are saying that a strike wont change things, but we know that. its a way of making our voice heard. I cant beleive how many of the team are prepared to carry on working on the day. I dont ant to leave people unsupported and wil probably work longer the day before and after the strike so my work will be the same. But we cant just bend over and take it. Can we? Whats the point of being in the union if we dont all stick together? As I told my team mates. I am prepared to lose a days pay for the benfit of all of us. Too bad they will let me do that.
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Post by Jazz on Oct 15, 2011 21:38:43 GMT 1
You have to follow your convictions, Bansh....nobody strikes without a good reason.....good luck & hope it makes some difference........I see more unrest coming along in the near future unless this Government relaxes these endless cuts/job losses etc with seemingly no particular plan behind them.......cut, cut, cut & hope for the best!
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Post by Banshee on Oct 16, 2011 15:32:24 GMT 1
Hi Jazz. What I see every day are the cuts being made from the bottom. All local authorities should look at saving money from the top downwards. Thats where the real savings can be made.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 14:43:20 GMT 1
The government have made provisions for breaking the strike: They are creating shortages of Sterident and Preparation-H
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Post by Ann1 on Oct 30, 2011 15:17:53 GMT 1
Hi Jazz. What I see every day are the cuts being made from the bottom. All local authorities should look at saving money from the top downwards. Thats where the real savings can be made. Good god bansh, you don't expect management to take a cut do you? I read somewhere that one council is thinking of sacking all the workers, and then taking on workers on worse pay and conditions!!! Wish I could find it now, it was somewhere in the Midlands I think.
Anybody with an ounce of integrity will tell them to shove their jobs, although I appreciate it's hard, especially if you've been unemployed for a while. But they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Quantas, I believe are doing the same thing now, closing the company and then opening it in Singapore, no doubt with worse pay and conditions. I wonder how many others will try that, if they see Quantas getting away with it?
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