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Post by Shadow on Apr 10, 2011 19:54:14 GMT 1
Kind of a hot topic in our house right now as the eldest is starting tomorrow at a local care home  What I wonder is why they dont pay the kids a small amount after completing a week as surely thats what normally happens after a weeks work  Weve had to shell out for an overall and there'll be transport costs too but theres no reimbursement-hardly showing that work has its rewards is it?  |
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Post by Jazz on Apr 10, 2011 20:23:12 GMT 1
Agree with you there, Shads....my daughter went on a work experience thing and wasn't given anything...no little incentive to make her think that "work pays" which basically is the main reason why we do it. My son was luckier and did a stint with his stepfather who is a heating/refrigeration engineer.....he did a bit of labouring and the firm gave him a good "wage". Even a token payment would give them a bit of a boost and encourage the work ethic in them.   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 20:31:35 GMT 1
It's an experience I agree, however not sure it has anything to do with working for real.......... CWL  |
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Post by Shadow on Apr 10, 2011 20:34:04 GMT 1
My major concern is that having worked in a care home myself there is alot of personal care involved and it can be very hard work-on alot of levels. I worry that she might be relegated to doing the real boring stuff and it could actually put her off. We are lucky in the sense that since she was very young she has visited Mr Shads work and gotten to meet the adults he works with-clients and staff-so she does have some knowledge of care work-we had hoped she could do her work experience there-the manager was more than happy since everyone knows her-we still visit now even tho Mr Shads has since changed jobs-and shes been going there for about 11 years now in a social capacity. However-rules being rules-the NHS insisted a registered nurse had to be present when she was there.Only registered nurse was the manager and she couldnt be there the entire week-so bang went that plan |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 21:12:12 GMT 1
Shads if this place she is going to is any good they will have a whole weeks worth of activity planned out for her................ However looking at it realistically I am doubtful that will be the case. All the kids I had come to me for work experience were taken through a very structured week................... Starting off with them introducing themselves to myself and the team. Then in a one to one session telling me what were their interests............and what did they hope to get from the weeks experience. After that it was a matter of outlining what they would be doing throughout the week and who they would be with or reporting too each day. That also included such things as Health & Safety instructions or other regulations they needed to be aware of, including any specific security measures. Most of the time they were supervised however that was not to the point of having someone stand on their shoulder every five minutes throughout the day. They were also expected to keep a record of everything they did during the week. Those kids not only spent time with my technicians, but also members of my management team as well as myself. They were given an opportunity to experience every level from shop floor to senior management during the time they were under my responsibility. Real eye opener for some of them sitting in on a full blown technical team meeting for the first time I can tell you. The thing is too many organisations just treat these kids as cheap labour for a week and that is wrong. Too often they go away knowing even less about who they have been with than what they did when they arrived. Let's hope she has agood experience and I would certainly advocate she speaks up if it's not what it should be.................after all she wants to come away feeling it has been a positive thing and not a waste of time. CWL  |
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Post by LeazesEnder47 on Apr 10, 2011 21:15:15 GMT 1
Well said CWL.........NAIL ON HEAD?
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Post by Roma on Apr 10, 2011 21:21:11 GMT 1
I think they use the kids for cheap labour these day's and tend to give them all the worst jobs possible, I'm not in agreement with it I think they should give them a small wage.
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Post by Shadow on Apr 10, 2011 21:27:16 GMT 1
Gawd-hope to god she gets something like youve described CWL-that sounds pretty comprehensive and at least gives the young people a chance to see the whole organisation. But I think in the place shes going it might be a little different You know I'll be delighted if in about three days time I can come on here and eat my words. One thing I do know is she knows about good work practice in residential homes after years of hearing me and her dad discuss it many,many times. Be interesting to hear her observations whatever happens. |
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Post by skintagain on Apr 10, 2011 21:41:58 GMT 1
i think a lot of places give their time to give young people some work experience and that experience should be reward enough, if they had to pay them a lot of places would probably refuse to take people on work experience, a lot of places are cash strapped and it's good of them to still offer this service.
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Post by Shadow on Apr 10, 2011 21:58:56 GMT 1
I think it depends on the experience given skint. Obviously right now Ive no idea of what this week will bring-never did work experience myself-Im just hoping its gonna be a positive thing.But I still feel that the kids should have some sort of wage at the end-just a taster of what working would bring As to who pays for it-hell I'd be happy to put a few quid in an envelope to be given to my daughter at the end of the week by the employer if I thought they would agree to it if it came to it-I just feel it would give her the just reward for doing a weeks "work" and I do feel it might give her the experience of what earning a wage feels like I'll probably do it anyway-but I think coming from the workplace itself would have been better |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 22:10:42 GMT 1
I'm not even sure any payment or a wage as such can be given under these circumstances...... The insurance side alone was bad enough in case anything happened and I know quite a few organisations decline to take kids because of that factor. I believe it's also getting harder to place young people anyway. So introducing some kind of payment may well end up with even fewer places being available and chased by more kids. CWL  |
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on Apr 11, 2011 7:48:15 GMT 1
About twice a year i receive letters from the job centres
asking me if i can provide an unemployed teenager with
a job they say this will be of no cost to me or my business
I dont have to pay them and i dont have to provide them
with tools or protective clothing the only condition is that
i consider them for any permanent post that becomes
available.
This is something i would love to do but i could not lie stright
in bed knowing i have asked some one to do a full days work for no pay.
If i were to pay them it would affect how much i charge my customers.... Which affects my competitiveness and i risk losing work something i cant afford to do.
Besides if i am to take anyone on i need people who can hit
the ground running i regrettably dont have time to stop what
im doing to correct someone else
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Post by Ann1 on Apr 11, 2011 9:09:54 GMT 1
I can understand what you're saying Nick, and it's different for you are you're a "one man band". But what excuse is there for large organisations wanting people with "experience"?? It infuriates me when I see that in job ads!!!!  Obviously, there are some jobs that must have training - nurses, doctors, firemen etc. But for most jobs, I'm sure, unless someone is a total div, they would learn soon enough! How are people supposed to gain experience, if no one will give them a chance??
My son did his "work experience" in the local aluminium works. He really enjoyed himself - even going for the bait from a wagon outside the works!! The hightlight was when he ordered 2 million quids worth of equipment on the computer!!!! Bearing in mind it was the late 80's, and computers were a novelty then!!!! I must say though, they supplied all the "safety" clothes, and had a whip round to give him some money at the end of it.
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Post by Fairscup on Apr 11, 2011 10:02:25 GMT 1
This is most interesting as I have absolutely no recent working experience in UK.
I have however many years under my belt and am responsible for an IT division with 72 persons. Of these I believe 50 have University background up to M.Sc. standard. The company requires that I, at any given time engage 6 trainees on (if not competitive) at least reasonable salary. These lads and lasses are on contract and are thereby as safe as anyone with regard to length of employment and conditions.
The interesting thing is that as often as not these youngsters perform and present results far superior to their so called better qualified colleagues. I, for my part try as often as possible to stress the importance of trying to employ some of these youngsters on a permanant basis.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 10:36:30 GMT 1
The people who came to CWL were indeed fortunate, it is the whole idea of work experience. I have huge respect for him for doing that and I'm sure it was of great benefit to the children.
Sadly in many cases all they learn to do is make tea and sweep up.
You takes your money...............
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Obviously, there are some jobs that must have training - nurses, doctors, firemen etc. But for most jobs, I'm sure, unless someone is a total div, they would learn soon enough! How are people supposed to gain experience, if no one will give them a chance??
I've seen Newcastle United win silverware!