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Post by Pollypeterborough on Apr 11, 2011 23:49:29 GMT 1
Is it no longer acceptable to disagree on this forum, or has everyone automatically fall into the agreeing mode of whatever you say Shadow, I for one can think of nothing worse than going fresh into the workplace without the slightest idea of what its like out there in the real world. I left school at 15 and immediately started work for a local Gateshead Paper as an apprentice compositor and I was certainly the but of every prank going which ended one day when things got out of hand and certain areas of my anatomy were subjected to printers ink. Anyone in the print industry will tell you how hard it is to remove. I left in a hurry, determined never to return, but after the thought of facing up to my Mother, who on her best days was worse than I would ever encounter in the workplace, I simply returned the next day and marched into the Editors office, demanded that he took action against those responsible. When he called them into the office, I was told that it was something all apprentices had to face and that I was the first to complain. I simply explained that it was not the act that I was complaining about, or even the assault, but the fact that I had worked hard for a number of weeks delivering papers and meat for the local butcher to buy work clothes and in one stupid act thy had ruined them. The clothes were replaced and the practice of daubing apprentices stopped. Just as an adage, I received 29/- or £1-50, I earned more delivering papers, but it was a lesson I learned and practiced all my life, that was never to be intimidated and always know your value. If this can be leaned from work experience, then it is well worth the bother, also as a Parent who has went through this with two children, it was easily resolved by a visit to the workplace before they started and make it known that your child is there to learn and not be used as an unpaid skivvy. In both cases I questioned my children, as did my Wife and in both cases we were kept informed of their progress. So perhaps, rather than post comments on here, I suggest if you are that worried then meet with the home. Incidentally, I would personally never allow my child to assist in care homes, we all know what can happen in some of these places, there are far better places to gain work experience. There is a lot of disagreeing on the forum if you read some of the post on here. Apt name by the way. allso if you like i am disagreeing on your post if that is ok with you.  |
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Post by Fairscup on Apr 12, 2011 7:24:12 GMT 1
Exactly CWL only much more eloquently put.  I can only assume you have more time on your hands than me ;D |
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Post by Fairscup on Apr 12, 2011 7:26:21 GMT 1
Is it no longer acceptable to disagree on this forum, or has everyone automatically fall into the agreeing mode of whatever you say Shadow, I for one can think of nothing worse than going fresh into the workplace without the slightest idea of what its like out there in the real world. I left school at 15 and immediately started work for a local Gateshead Paper as an apprentice compositor and I was certainly the but of every prank going which ended one day when things got out of hand and certain areas of my anatomy were subjected to printers ink. Anyone in the print industry will tell you how hard it is to remove. I left in a hurry, determined never to return, but after the thought of facing up to my Mother, who on her best days was worse than I would ever encounter in the workplace, I simply returned the next day and marched into the Editors office, demanded that he took action against those responsible. When he called them into the office, I was told that it was something all apprentices had to face and that I was the first to complain. I simply explained that it was not the act that I was complaining about, or even the assault, but the fact that I had worked hard for a number of weeks delivering papers and meat for the local butcher to buy work clothes and in one stupid act thy had ruined them. The clothes were replaced and the practice of daubing apprentices stopped. Just as an adage, I received 29/- or £1-50, I earned more delivering papers, but it was a lesson I learned and practiced all my life, that was never to be intimidated and always know your value. If this can be leaned from work experience, then it is well worth the bother, also as a Parent who has went through this with two children, it was easily resolved by a visit to the workplace before they started and make it known that your child is there to learn and not be used as an unpaid skivvy. In both cases I questioned my children, as did my Wife and in both cases we were kept informed of their progress. So perhaps, rather than post comments on here, I suggest if you are that worried then meet with the home. Incidentally, I would personally never allow my child to assist in care homes, we all know what can happen in some of these places, there are far better places to gain work experience. There is a lot of disagreeing on the forum if you read some of the post on here. Apt name by the way. allso if you like i am disagreeing on your post if that is ok with you. No there isn't  |
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Post by skintagain on Apr 12, 2011 9:29:29 GMT 1
supergob it is acceptable to disagree on this forum as your quite new here take some time and read through the threads/posts you will see,
as for a parent visiting and checking out a workplace before their child starts there i think most kids would rather them not, they dont want mammy and daddy to hold their hand all the way through life checking if places are acceptable for them, as for never allowing your children to assist in a care home would that not be their decision, and if they wanted a career in that line of work where else could they get the experience,
shadow if the care home is failing or unable to give your daughter the work experience in this case it's seems as though it's down to lack of communication and an outbreak of sickness and diarrhea tell her to have a word with her careers officer to get placed somewhere else.
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Post by supergob on Apr 12, 2011 10:28:35 GMT 1
supergob it is acceptable to disagree on this forum as your quite new here take some time and read through the threads/posts you will see,
as for a parent visiting and checking out a workplace before their child starts there i think most kids would rather them not, they don't want mammy and daddy to hold their hand all the way through life checking if places are acceptable for them, as for never allowing your children to assist in a care home would that not be their decision, and if they wanted a career in that line of work where else could they get the experience,
shadow if the care home is failing or unable to give your daughter the work experience in this case it's seems as though it's down to lack of communication and an outbreak of sickness and diarrhea tell her to have a word with her careers officer to get placed somewhere else.
You of course correct regarding the embarrassment factor, but what is that when it comes to your child's safety. A quiet word with the placement manager can often resolve it, after all that is what they are there for. I still say that a care home is no place for a child, we all get old and in doing so are not always in control of bodily functions.
With regards to the other two replies, I think you know me not and yes Supergob is an apt name, and as for new to the Forum, yes and perhaps one who will only pass this way but once, I was a founder member of the Chronicle forum, which was spoilt by a small few who preferred social chit chat than debate, a trend which is carried on here. You see I have little time for posts that do not put forward a constructive debate, your two responses are both in that category.
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Post by Shadow on Apr 12, 2011 10:39:01 GMT 1
Some interesting points being made  I think the school tries to tailor the work experience to the course the pupil has chosen-so some kids who are studying business are currently working at Sainsburys down the road for example.My daughter is studying health and Social care so therefore that is why she received the placement she did.Due to the nature of that work-where confidentiality would be an issue-and also due to the fact that a fully qualified person would need to be in attendance-the choices are a little limited as we found when we tried to arrange a placement for her ourselves.I had tried community homes that I knew,hospital places and even social services but these werent possible because of the reasons I've outlined. We found out late last week where the placement is-very short notice but it is a local place that actually has a good reputation as a care home and of course we checked the inspection reports to confirm this ourselves.I very much doubt a personal visit would have been appropriate-my daughter would have been mortified  I dont have any issue with her actually working in a care home-Ive done it myself-and she visits another-close by to us with a friend who works there during school holidays anyway so she knew what to expect.And as Ive said-shes had plenty of visits to meet people with learning difficulties over the years. I certainly wouldnt have expected her to be doing personal care or owt like that because of the privacy issue but more could and should have been done-there are so many issues that could have been discussed or shown to her.Health and safety,care of the different conditions people might present,the nursing aspect,standards expected etc-the list is endless. I had a talk with the person in charge of the placement this morning and she has spoken to the staff at the place concerned.We have arranged that whilst the outbreak continues she will attend school as usual and hopefully-barring any new cases-will return on Thursday to continue her experience.This also gives the place time to prepare a better experience for her now they actually know she is coming-series of unfortunate events and communication breakdown  And it is and always has been totally acceptable for people to disagree on the forum  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 10:39:07 GMT 1
Exactly CWL only much more eloquently put. I can only assume you have more time on your hands than me ;D Only in between the painting and list of jobs my good lady has given me to do Fairsy!  CWL  |
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Post by Shadow on Apr 15, 2011 19:55:32 GMT 1
Well-as an update-my daughter flatly refused to return to the care home and went to school instead. I suppose she was kind of right-in the current jobs climate-when she pointed out that leaving a job could be part of the experience too |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2011 20:09:21 GMT 1
In the current jobs climate having one is a bonus....................keeping it is the really hard part! CWL  |
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Post by Shadow on Apr 15, 2011 20:52:15 GMT 1
I did point that out CWL And the fact that people have to do jobs they dont like in order to make ends meet-Mr Shads isnt exactly happy where he is either-but he goes in each day regardless-I think she just might appreciate that a bit more now-hope so anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2011 21:09:30 GMT 1
Sometimes I found it was not so much the job itself, more the place I did it in which made the difference. CWL  |
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Post by Shadow on Apr 15, 2011 21:35:51 GMT 1
I think thats it in one. Many people do difficult and stressful jobs but its tolerable when you have a strong supportive team working with you. The job I look back on most fondly is the one I hated the most when I first joined the team because at first there was no team-the clients were demonstrating extreme challenging behaviour,the staff were untrained and struggling and moral was rock bottom.The manager spent her time in a room upstairs doing paper work and the previous two deputies had left-one sacked the other through injury sustained at work. It took alot of work to turn things around and we worked our arses off as deputies-working alongside the staff,organising training and encouraging people-it was a job I loved in the end and I often think about how hard the people in that team worked to change things for themselves too. Manager remained crap-but she got her come-uppance-funniest thing I ever saw.German woman and very aloof always dressed dead smart-one of the clients started getting agitated in the kitchen and trying to show off she came downstairs to "take control"-he grabbed her skirt and sank his teeth into it-so she had to take it off in front of the staff team to save herself-full stockings and suspenders duly revealed she went back to the office and we went back to calming the guy down Was priceless  |
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