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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 13:55:54 GMT 1
Should smoking be banned when children are in cars?
Quite rightly smoking is banned in public places, so why are people allowed to carry children in a car while they smoke?
The proposed law would outlaw people smoking with children in the car. Smokers will regard this as a an attack on personal freedom. I would regard smoking with a child in the car attacks the child's personal freedom. A car is such a enclosed space, and given the proven health dangers, smoking whilst carrying children can only be regarded as selfish, irresponsible and poor parenting.
I would go further, ban smoking in cars. many accidents are happen when smoke gets in the drivers eyes and when they drop the cigarette. I can see this will happen along with restrictions on smoking outside. For me it couldn't come soon enough.
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Post by Ann1 on Feb 2, 2014 14:16:06 GMT 1
Aye, the ban on mobile phones worked well!! I've lost count of the number of folk I see talking on mobiles when driving, I think a smoking ban would be unenforceable anyway, all someone would have to do would be to throw the fag out the window if the police stopped them, then it would be impossible to prove they were smoking. Mind, lawyers would clean up with all the appeals this would generate. I prefer to let adults use their own common sense (and yes I know some don't have any, but can we legislate for everything?) rather than more laws and bans.
Plus the police have better things to do than chase after smokers, especially now their numbers are being cut to the bone.Pretty soon adults won't have to take any responsibility for their own actions, as there will be a government "plan" to cover all contingencies!! I don't really want to live in a dictatorship where the state controls your every move!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 15:14:17 GMT 1
I would indeed be difficult to enforce, but at least it will make people think what harm they are doing to their precious children.
It will become law, and just as smokers have had to get used to not smoking in public places, they will have to get used to this.
No new cars have a cigarette fitted, but no doubt one can be bought and fitted into the 12 volt fitting. It does however reflect public opinion.
I does amuse me that smokers can spend eight hour on a plane to Dubai without smoking, but can't take a 15 minute car journey without lighting up.
One simple solution give them up!!!
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Post by skintagain on Feb 4, 2014 0:46:36 GMT 1
yep just throw the fag out the window then get done for littering as well, don't forget police cars are all fitted with cameras so the just throw the fag out the window solution wont work,
in America if you throw a fag out the window you could be charged with murder or attempted murder.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 1:30:59 GMT 1
yep just throw the fag out the window then get done for littering as well, don't forget police cars are all fitted with cameras so the just throw the fag out the window solution wont work, in America if you throw a fag out the window you could be charged with murder or attempted murder. What America does today...Britain does tomorrow. |
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Post by corrina on Feb 5, 2014 15:55:28 GMT 1
Exhaust fumes dwarf second hand smoke in terms of harmfulness. Why not ban cars on the road when there's children present?
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Post by skintagain on Feb 5, 2014 17:59:11 GMT 1
someone once asked me if I smoked with my children in the car, I said no my children don't smoke,
anyway I could never see the point in smoking while driving, even on long journeys I would rather stop somewhere and get out the car before lighting up a ciggie, I packed them in recently and have been smoke free now for just over a month, as for exhaust fumes some new cars now have less emissions coming out than what's going in.
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Feb 5, 2014 19:15:59 GMT 1
I see the only argument that people can come up with against the ban is that it would be difficult (or impossible) to enforce it. I see they've come up with that same argument against the ban on mobile phone use while driving.
However, the good news is that even if it is unenforceable, it still wouldn't harm anyone to bring in the law. Consequently, the 'unenforceable' argument loses a lot of weight.
Adults who are in a car with smokers at least have a choice - children don't. Therefore, smoking in a car with children is selfish.
I can't see any argument at all against introducing this law, given that the 'unenforceable' argument doesn't carry any weight, for reasons outlined above.
Yes, bring in the law. Even if 10,000 people do it every month, and only 1 is given a punishment, it still won't impact negatively on anyone, apart from the 1 in 10,000 who has indulged in a selfish act.
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Post by corrina on Feb 5, 2014 19:22:15 GMT 1
I see the only argument that people can come up with against the ban is that it would be difficult (or impossible) to enforce it. I see they've come up with that same argument against the ban on mobile phone use while driving. However, the good news is that even if it is unenforceable, it still wouldn't harm anyone to bring in the law. Consequently, the 'unenforceable' argument loses a lot of weight. Adults who are in a car with smokers at least have a choice - children don't. Therefore, smoking in a car with children is selfish. I can't see any argument at all against introducing this law, given that the 'unenforceable' argument doesn't carry any weight, for reasons outlined above. Yes, bring in the law. Even if 10,000 people do it every month, and only 1 is given a punishment, it still won't impact negatively on anyone, apart from the 1 in 10,000 who has indulged in a selfish act. What next, criminalising mothers who smoke during pregnancy? |
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Feb 5, 2014 19:28:24 GMT 1
I see the only argument that people can come up with against the ban is that it would be difficult (or impossible) to enforce it. I see they've come up with that same argument against the ban on mobile phone use while driving. However, the good news is that even if it is unenforceable, it still wouldn't harm anyone to bring in the law. Consequently, the 'unenforceable' argument loses a lot of weight. Adults who are in a car with smokers at least have a choice - children don't. Therefore, smoking in a car with children is selfish. I can't see any argument at all against introducing this law, given that the 'unenforceable' argument doesn't carry any weight, for reasons outlined above. Yes, bring in the law. Even if 10,000 people do it every month, and only 1 is given a punishment, it still won't impact negatively on anyone, apart from the 1 in 10,000 who has indulged in a selfish act. What next, criminalising mothers who smoke during pregnancy? No. Anything else? |
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Post by corrina on Feb 5, 2014 19:35:31 GMT 1
I agree with Anne, I for one would hate to live in a dictatorship. What in the hell happened to parents taking responsibility?
This country is just getting ridiculous. Why not have cameras inside all cars because an adult might SMOKE in the presence of a child. It's pathetic. Carbon Monoxide is found in exhaust fumes. Yeah, the same Carbon Monoxide that if you breathe in too much you die. Yet car fumes are widely regarded as safe.
Surely breathing in Carbon Monoxide everyday is doing more damage than smoking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 19:44:38 GMT 1
Of course, the emissions from cars is harmful, but it's not an enclosed space, which it the nicotine addicts put forward when people demand the smoking ban should be extended to outside. Every car journey has a purpose, and the purpose of a smoking inside/outside a car....
The emissions are far less from newer cars that older ones. Around 90% of pollution is caused by 10% of cars. Maybe we should ban older cars from town and city centres?
The worst place I've been for air pollution is Manila choked with traffic 24 hours a day with many vehicles older than me, no tread on there tyres and/or no lights. Not the best of places, but dirt cheap genuine designer clothes and for you nicotine addicts....200 cigarettes under £2.00.
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Post by corrina on Feb 5, 2014 19:51:10 GMT 1
I have an idea. How about we don't ban anything and let people make their own decisions?
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Feb 5, 2014 20:23:20 GMT 1
I wonder, if this allegedly unenforceable law was introduced, which the police allegedly shouldn't need to spend time on, and a policeman discovered that someone was smoking in a car while a child was in the car.
I've got a question - is there any reason why that adult shouldn't be fined as a punishment? They've been proved to have been smoking in a car with a child, the child having no say in the matter - is there any reason at all why they shouldn't be fined?
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Post by corrina on Feb 5, 2014 20:46:13 GMT 1
I'm very shocked by some of the totalitarian views being expressed on this topic. It's up to each parent to bring up their child the way they choose to. The only time social services should be involved is when the child is in actual danger.
Why is it kid's like Daniel Pelka are allowed to starve to death but if you want to take your kid on holiday for a few days the schools are like the gestapo. I'll answer that - because we live in a country that is OBSESSED with bureaucracy and nannying that people who are actually vulnerable get ignored.
Just really? How far is this going to go?
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