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Post by magpie4ever99 on Jan 23, 2012 19:44:10 GMT 1
Ben Arfa in a recent interview said, "I will submit to Pardew's authority but not his philosophy". This coming from one of our most attack minded players and someone who would walk into Sir Bobby's and Kevin Keegan's team. That just about sums Alan Pardew up. A man who came to the toon massively underrated and someone no one even liked at the start. With no pressure and with very well groomed players from the Hughton era Pardew certainly made a good first impression since his first win in his first game against Liverpool on the 11th of Dec 2010. Since then after making a name for himself and after having proven he can build a team capable of pushing for the Europa League it seems like his defensive philosophy and lack of tactical astuteness is showing. Of course how can you be tactically good if you can't adjust to different teams and change tactics and formations during a game. That's a managers job and the experienced Martin Jol showed AP a trick or two on Saturday. Pardew's philosophy is to defend from the front and attack from the back. No doubt we pass the ball well under him but our mentality is defensive. We defend after we get a goal and see out matches. His favorite subs is PERCH (says it all!). We focus on clean sheets which after the likes of Bramble and Boumsong you'd be surprised to hear me complaining but just being purely defence minded was never the Newcastle way. We always attacked. Yes we had spells where we had good defenders but our philosophy was to attack and entertain. Times change and people will argue my mindset should change but I wont change. For this is the reason I love the toon. For we played with style under Keegan and Sir Bobby showed us how proud to be of our heritage. Pardew through his reign is taking that away from us. Sure most fans wont complain as temporary good results blind us from this fact. 3 points is the order of the way where success is craved instantly. But stop and think how our club is being destroyed ON THE PITCH. Of course Mike Ashley is taking care he runs us into the ground off it and to a large extent already has. All I can say is get rid off Ashley, Llambias and Pardew...Bring new owners and get King Kev back! Bring back the good times! Howay the lads!  |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Jan 23, 2012 21:41:23 GMT 1
Ben Arfa in a recent interview said, "I will submit to Pardew's authority but not his philosophy". This coming from one of our most attack minded players and someone who would walk into Sir Bobby's and Kevin Keegan's team. That just about sums Alan Pardew up. A man who came to the toon massively underrated and someone no one even liked at the start. With no pressure and with very well groomed players from the Hughton era Pardew certainly made a good first impression since his first win in his first game against Liverpool on the 11th of Dec 2010. Since then after making a name for himself and after having proven he can build a team capable of pushing for the Europa League it seems like his defensive philosophy and lack of tactical astuteness is showing. Of course how can you be tactically good if you can't adjust to different teams and change tactics and formations during a game. That's a managers job and the experienced Martin Jol showed AP a trick or two on Saturday. Pardew's philosophy is to defend from the front and attack from the back. No doubt we pass the ball well under him but our mentality is defensive. We defend after we get a goal and see out matches. His favorite subs is PERCH (says it all!). We focus on clean sheets which after the likes of Bramble and Boumsong you'd be surprised to hear me complaining but just being purely defence minded was never the Newcastle way. We always attacked. Yes we had spells where we had good defenders but our philosophy was to attack and entertain. Times change and people will argue my mindset should change but I wont change. For this is the reason I love the toon. For we played with style under Keegan and Sir Bobby showed us how proud to be of our heritage. Pardew through his reign is taking that away from us. Sure most fans wont complain as temporary good results blind us from this fact. 3 points is the order of the way where success is craved instantly. But stop and think how our club is being destroyed ON THE PITCH. Of course Mike Ashley is taking care he runs us into the ground off it and to a large extent already has. All I can say is get rid off Ashley, Llambias and Pardew...Bring new owners and get King Kev back! Bring back the good times! Howay the lads! n, in two words what did Jol do on Saturday? I do not agree that the team "attacks from the back" the passing quality is not good enough for that. One of the reasons we were heavily defeated was that we had nothing to take the advantage with. All the possesion we had melted to nothing when it reached the two stooges up front. What Pardue sees in Perch only he knows, he does not look a Premiership player, but neither does Best, or Shola for that matter. I am pleased with the purchase of Cisse but when both of your main strike force are missing for a chunk of the season the thinking behind it is called into question.   ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 22:25:37 GMT 1
Okay I'll bite although not because I strongly agree or for that matter disagree with what you have written Magpie. No it's more a case of I see this as a perfect opportunity to assess and discuss just where Newcastle United are in comparison to previous periods in the Clubs history. So let's get a few things out of the road first......................before we get on to the serious stuff. At what point exactly did Pardews defensive philosophy come into play on Saturday? The team didn't exactly park the bus from 3 o'clock and fight for a loss. So Hughton's time at The Toon is now an era..............FFS! Hats off to Chris for a job well done and I respect him for the way he conducted himself, however he was always a game away from the sack like any other manager. Getting back to Saturday Pardew may well dictate the tactical element however it's the players that have to put it into action and they failed miserably. It was the opposite for Jol as his players responded out of pride and professionalism along with a generous Ref rather than anything else he may have done. Jol's magic certainly didn't work the previous week when they were beaten by ten men at Blackburn. So why is this game considered by you Magpie to be masterclass in astute tactical genius? Ben Arfa needs to keep on doing what he is doing rather than mouth off to the press. Managers and players rarely see eye to eye when they are left out of the starting eleven. As for Newcastle's heritage.....................err! well bit embarrassing really not having won a domestic trophy for over fifty years. Don't get me wrong here as I took as much pleasure from experiencing both Keegan's (first time) and Sir Bobby's periods at the Club as any Toon fan. But don't forget one thing despite the highs The Toon still didn't win anything. Had we got that monkey off our back I may well have looked upon your post in a different way. Both Keegan and Sir Bobby were funded far and away above that of Pardew under our current most benevolent owner. Taking a cheap shot at Pardew because his squad lacks the quality of Keegan's or Sir Bobby's only highlights for me what a good job the current manager has done to turn things around. We have had far worse managers than Pardew during the history of this Club believe me! One final question for you Magpie................. Having now apparently passed judgment on Pardew and found him wanting after the QPR and Fulham games just what do you now make of the football played during the promotion season? For me it was highly effective at times but no more attacking than what is being served up now. One thing for sure IMO we look a much better prepared Premier League outfit albeit lacking quality and depth in the squad under the current manager than we have for some considerable time. Look forward to reading your response Magpie and the thoughts, views of anyone else that wants to join in. CWL  |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Jan 23, 2012 23:12:42 GMT 1
Okay I'll bite although not because I strongly agree or for that matter disagree with what you have written Magpie. No it's more a case of I see this as a perfect opportunity to assess and discuss just where Newcastle United are in comparison to previous periods in the Clubs history. So let's get a few things out of the road first......................before we get on to the serious stuff. At what point exactly did Pardews defensive philosophy come into play on Saturday? The team didn't exactly park the bus from 3 o'clock and fight for a loss. So Hughton's time at The Toon is now an era..............FFS! Hats off to Chris for a job well done and I respect him for the way he conducted himself, however he was always a game away from the sack like any other manager. Getting back to Saturday Pardew may well dictate the tactical element however it's the players that have to put it into action and they failed miserably. It was the opposite for Jol as his players responded out of pride and professionalism along with a generous Ref rather than anything else he may have done. Jol's magic certainly didn't work the previous week when they were beaten by ten men at Blackburn. So why is this game considered by you Magpie to be masterclass in astute tactical genius? Ben Arfa needs to keep on doing what he is doing rather than mouth off to the press. Managers and players rarely see eye to eye when they are left out of the starting eleven. As for Newcastle's heritage.....................err! well bit embarrassing really not having won a domestic trophy for over fifty years. Don't get me wrong here as I took as much pleasure from experiencing both Keegan's (first time) and Sir Bobby's periods at the Club as any Toon fan. But don't forget one thing despite the highs The Toon still didn't win anything. Had we got that monkey off our back I may well have looked upon your post in a different way. Both Keegan and Sir Bobby were funded far and away above that of Pardew under our current most benevolent owner. Taking a cheap shot at Pardew because his squad lacks the quality of Keegan's or Sir Bobby's only highlights for me what a good job the current manager has done to turn things around. We have had far worse managers than Pardew during the history of this Club believe me! One final question for you Magpie................. Having now apparently passed judgment on Pardew and found him wanting after the QPR and Fulham games just what do you now make of the football played during the promotion season? For me it was highly effective at times but no more attacking than what is being served up now. One thing for sure IMO we look a much better prepared Premier League outfit albeit lacking quality and depth in the squad under the current manager than we have for some considerable time. Look forward to reading your response Magpie and the thoughts, views of anyone else that wants to join in. CWL CW I do not think I have seen anything like the current "phase" before, going back to the backend of the fifties up to the present, NUFC has been in the hands of power crazy people with very little to show for it bar the Fairs cup. The nearest we came to the present set up was in the days of Joe Harvey but its still a long way off from the current set up. Hopefully the club is moving in the right direction. It would be good if we could trust Ashley to do the right things, but will we ever see that? I think we know the answer. Dropping the Sports Direct name from the ground would help for a start. The idea that the club has to live within its means is right, can a good enough team be put together within the constraints we have now? Only time will tell. Pardue has done a reasonable job nobody should deny him that, he will make mistakes(  ) but he is only human .  ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 23:38:09 GMT 1
Ben Arfa in a recent interview said, "I will submit to Pardew's authority but not his philosophy". This coming from one of our most attack minded players and someone who would walk into Sir Bobby's and Kevin Keegan's team. That just about sums Alan Pardew up. A man who came to the toon massively underrated and someone no one even liked at the start. With no pressure and with very well groomed players from the Hughton era Pardew certainly made a good first impression since his first win in his first game against Liverpool on the 11th of Dec 2010. Since then after making a name for himself and after having proven he can build a team capable of pushing for the Europa League it seems like his defensive philosophy and lack of tactical astuteness is showing. Of course how can you be tactically good if you can't adjust to different teams and change tactics and formations during a game. That's a managers job and the experienced Martin Jol showed AP a trick or two on Saturday. Pardew's philosophy is to defend from the front and attack from the back. No doubt we pass the ball well under him but our mentality is defensive. We defend after we get a goal and see out matches. His favorite subs is PERCH (says it all!). We focus on clean sheets which after the likes of Bramble and Boumsong you'd be surprised to hear me complaining but just being purely defence minded was never the Newcastle way. We always attacked. Yes we had spells where we had good defenders but our philosophy was to attack and entertain. Times change and people will argue my mindset should change but I wont change. For this is the reason I love the toon. For we played with style under Keegan and Sir Bobby showed us how proud to be of our heritage. Pardew through his reign is taking that away from us. Sure most fans wont complain as temporary good results blind us from this fact. 3 points is the order of the way where success is craved instantly. But stop and think how our club is being destroyed ON THE PITCH. Of course Mike Ashley is taking care he runs us into the ground off it and to a large extent already has. All I can say is get rid off Ashley, Llambias and Pardew...Bring new owners and get King Kev back! Bring back the good times! Howay the lads! z-z-z-z-z-z-glug-glug-glug-z-z-z-z-z-z-zz-z(sleeping fish swimming on by)...........................................................ffs. |
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Jan 24, 2012 21:50:21 GMT 1
Thank you to those kind enough to reply decently and with an intention to further debate on the subject. CaptM and CWL I will first answer a common question both of you asked. How was Jol better than AP? You should understand Jol is experimenting with his Fulham squad. He is not sure of the right formation. He started off 4-3-3 in a hope to unsettle our set way of a 4-4-2. AP rather than sticking to our attacking 4-4-2 and a system that payed dividends so far decided to alter tactics just to match the opposition (the first sign of a weak manager i.e. playing to the other teams tune). However, that said the first half turned out well for us as we were compact, organized and defended well from the back. We controlled midfield with Cabaye and Guthrie excellent and Danny boy grabbing a fantastic goal. All well and good and at this point even though I still disapproved of APs defensive mentality you had to admit we were better than them. But then Jol knew he had to change the game and attack and that was helped by the injury to Sidwell and he went 4-4-2. The Fulham way of playing. AJ to run the channels and Zamora to do what he does best and hold the ball up front with Dempsey making the forward runs and Murphy pulling the strings in midfield. By the time AP could figure out what to do next Jol's men hit us with a few punches enough to land the knock out blow. AP and the NUFC fans left scratching their head. Why didn't we play a 4-4-2 and outdo their 4-3-3 from the start? Why be so negative and defend and play to the opposition's tune rather than concentrating on our own game and on getting 3 points. The thinking behind bringing on Perch was shocking (damage limitation was his tactic...being so defence minded I expected nothing better!). So there you go. As if it isn't glaringly obvious.
CWL,
For you to say that winning a trophy was that important goes against why we support NUFC in the first place? Isn't it because we are chosen byt eh club and because we love the club to death? Isn't style and attractive football more important than winning trophies? For me it is (I speak from the heart here...head takes a backseat).
Football during the promotion season was not attractive but you cannot compare the Hughton era to this. Then we just came down, we were low on confidence, high on debt, we hated the board (still do!), we had players leaving and Chrissy Hughton did the best he could in a league where over 46 games more often than not you have to grind out results (ask anyone). I should remind you that most fans accepted that because the whole master plan was to come up and survive for one season (which we did) and then get back to playing the attractive and entertaining football that NUFC is all about. AP is not doing that. He is Ashley's puppet who's instructions are to keep the club afloat in mid table.
Fairscup you ask,
How the hell did Pardew come to Toon without any pressure on him? He had most of the friggin' city against him.
Well he was the most hated man and that actually removed the burden of expectation. If he failed no one would blame him but Ashley for making him manager. Remember people loved Hughton and public enemy no 1 was Ashley at the time. If he did well like he did he would be a hero. His doing well was more by luck than design.
PS: Canny I have better things to do than wind people up. If I have something to say I come on here and say it. Thats what a forum is for.
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Post by Captain Marvel on Jan 24, 2012 22:44:27 GMT 1
Thank you to those kind enough to reply decently and with an intention to further debate on the subject. CaptM and CWL I will first answer a common question both of you asked. How was Jol better than AP? You should understand Jol is experimenting with his Fulham squad. He is not sure of the right formation. He started off 4-3-3 in a hope to unsettle our set way of a 4-4-2. AP rather than sticking to our attacking 4-4-2 and a system that payed dividends so far decided to alter tactics just to match the opposition (the first sign of a weak manager i.e. playing to the other teams tune). However, that said the first half turned out well for us as we were compact, organized and defended well from the back. We controlled midfield with Cabaye and Guthrie excellent and Danny boy grabbing a fantastic goal. All well and good and at this point even though I still disapproved of APs defensive mentality you had to admit we were better than them. But then Jol knew he had to change the game and attack and that was helped by the injury to Sidwell and he went 4-4-2. The Fulham way of playing. AJ to run the channels and Zamora to do what he does best and hold the ball up front with Dempsey making the forward runs and Murphy pulling the strings in midfield. By the time AP could figure out what to do next Jol's men hit us with a few punches enough to land the knock out blow. AP and the NUFC fans left scratching their head. Why didn't we play a 4-4-2 and outdo their 4-3-3 from the start? Why be so negative and defend and play to the opposition's tune rather than concentrating on our own game and on getting 3 points. The thinking behind bringing on Perch was shocking (damage limitation was his tactic...being so defence minded I expected nothing better!). So there you go. As if it isn't glaringly obvious. CWL, For you to say that winning a trophy was that important goes against why we support NUFC in the first place? Isn't it because we are chosen byt eh club and because we love the club to death? Isn't style and attractive football more important than winning trophies? For me it is (I speak from the heart here...head takes a backseat). Football during the promotion season was not attractive but you cannot compare the Hughton era to this. Then we just came down, we were low on confidence, high on debt, we hated the board (still do!), we had players leaving and Chrissy Hughton did the best he could in a league where over 46 games more often than not you have to grind out results (ask anyone). I should remind you that most fans accepted that because the whole master plan was to come up and survive for one season (which we did) and then get back to playing the attractive and entertaining football that NUFC is all about. AP is not doing that. He is Ashley's puppet who's instructions are to keep the club afloat in mid table. Fairscup you ask, How the hell did Pardew come to Toon without any pressure on him? He had most of the friggin' city against him. Well he was the most hated man and that actually removed the burden of expectation. If he failed no one would blame him but Ashley for making him manager. Remember people loved Hughton and public enemy no 1 was Ashley at the time. If he did well like he did he would be a hero. His doing well was more by luck than design. PS: Canny I have better things to do than wind people up. If I have something to say I come on here and say it. Thats what a forum is for.
I see you did not try and answer the question? The answer was simple, inject pace. The event just prior to the half time whistle should have given Pardue and the team something to chew over at half time, the rest is history, but I firmly believe if we had Ba and Cisse in that side rather than Best and Ameobi we would have had something out of that game. Having said all that I do not blame Pardue for the defeat, we are in a far better position in the league that anyone could grumble about, given the constrainsts that Pardue has endured he has done well. ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 11:55:01 GMT 1
So Martin Jol an experienced manager both here and abroad is still experimenting with his side after twenty-two games..................give me a break Magpie. That is feeble to say the least. You may as well credit Pardew with the same rationale having lost his main striker and defensive midfield maestro to the ACN. I'm still scratching my head about this defensive mentality you go on about. Just where was this during the first half against Fulham? The fact Newcastle only managed to score once in that half had nothing to do with being defensive and as Capt'n M has pointed out a hell of a lot more with the two front men. Also Jol may well have known as did the home support his team should have attacked more but they were quite simply woeful. On another day they may well have been three or four down at half time. It just so happens The Toon were equally as bad in the second half and IMO the scoreline on Saturday flattered Fulham no end. The game turned on a dubious penalty decision given by a weak referee. Once Fulham equalised the momentum changed in favour of the home side. After that Newcastle were punished again for playing too high up the pitch as they were against Chelsea and West Brom at Home. That's not defending to your strengths as we have done in other games. It played straight into the hands of Fulham and Andy Johnson in particular. That had nothing to do with the manager or his tactics in my view and everything to do with the players on the pitch. Had Pardew been as defensive as you are trying to suggest Newcastle would have parked the bus and shut the game down from half time rather than chasing it as if they were the home side. Newcastle were done for not learning valuable lessons from those other games I mentioned. The side just doesn't have the pace in it to recover when they leave huge gaps behind the central pairing and our full backs push on to support the wide men. Fulham exploited that failing through bypassing their midfield entirely and had a good enough striker in Dempsey to make it count. As for using Perch well if there's one thing I have noticed about Pardew he is loyal to his players. Although I don't rate Perch at all Pardew obviously believes the lad gives him something. Whether bringing him on was damage limitation or not it was his choice to do so. The Mags were 4 - 1 down when he came on. For me Perch is Championship level at best, but he is not the only one like that in the squad. I'm sure if you asked everyone on here who they would have brought on instead you would get more differences in opinion than agreement. What gave me most reason for concern was how in the space of a half time break the side went from playing as a team to that of eleven individuals with no unity or leadership. Being a romantic kind of guy I have always thought the Club chooses individuals to become members of the Toon Army. However once they're in it's all about winning something. The promotion season was a perfect example of the end justifying the means. I just find it odd you can condone that approach when it suits yet now be so critical despite the manager and side exceeding the expectations of practically everyone, bar your own. All I want from the side is to give 100% every game whether that is through attractive football or death defying backs to the wall defending I'll take it. Most of the time over the years playing wise it's been a bit of both, although some of it dire (being kind) and not all players have given 100% to the cause. Neither has it resulted in repeated success as it did at other times during the Clubs history. You may well follow your heart but be prepared for it to be broken time and again when you least expect it. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory is an art form on Tyneside. Perhaps in another thirty years without winning a single thing you may finally understand where I'm coming from. Just as you are not satisfied with the kind of football being played now I'm never going to be fully satisfied until Newcastle have won something again. I just hope I live long enough to see it happen. As for calling Pardew a puppet well Hughton received his fair share of the same and managed to change people's opinion. Pardew was tarred with the same brush and now for me is doing his best to change those opinions into a positive mindset among supporters. CWL |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Jan 25, 2012 13:33:50 GMT 1
So Martin Jol an experienced manager both here and abroad is still experimenting with his side after twenty-two games..................give me a break Magpie. That is feeble to say the least. You may as well credit Pardew with the same rationale having lost his main striker and defensive midfield maestro to the ACN. I'm still scratching my head about this defensive mentality you go on about. Just where was this during the first half against Fulham? The fact Newcastle only managed to score once in that half had nothing to do with being defensive and as Capt'n M has pointed out a hell of a lot more with the two front men. Also Jol may well have known as did the home support his team should have attacked more but they were quite simply woeful. On another day they may well have been three or four down at half time. It just so happens The Toon were equally as bad in the second half and IMO the scoreline on Saturday flattered Fulham no end. The game turned on a dubious penalty decision given by a weak referee. Once Fulham equalised the momentum changed in favour of the home side. After that Newcastle were punished again for playing too high up the pitch as they were against Chelsea and West Brom at Home. That's not defending to your strengths as we have done in other games. It played straight into the hands of Fulham and Andy Johnson in particular. That had nothing to do with the manager or his tactics in my view and everything to do with the players on the pitch. Had Pardew been as defensive as you are trying to suggest Newcastle would have parked the bus and shut the game down from half time rather than chasing it as if they were the home side. Newcastle were done for not learning valuable lessons from those other games I mentioned. The side just doesn't have the pace in it to recover when they leave huge gaps behind the central pairing and our full backs push on to support the wide men. Fulham exploited that failing through bypassing their midfield entirely and had a good enough striker in Dempsey to make it count. As for using Perch well if there's one thing I have noticed about Pardew he is loyal to his players. Although I don't rate Perch at all Pardew obviously believes the lad gives him something. Whether bringing him on was damage limitation or not it was his choice to do so. The Mags were 4 - 1 down when he came on. For me Perch is Championship level at best, but he is not the only one like that in the squad. I'm sure if you asked everyone on here who they would have brought on instead you would get more differences in opinion than agreement. What gave me most reason for concern was how in the space of a half time break the side went from playing as a team to that of eleven individuals with no unity or leadership. Being a romantic kind of guy I have always thought the Club chooses individuals to become members of the Toon Army. However once they're in it's all about winning something. The promotion season was a perfect example of the end justifying the means. I just find it odd you can condone that approach when it suits yet now be so critical despite the manager and side exceeding the expectations of practically everyone, bar your own. All I want from the side is to give 100% every game whether that is through attractive football or death defying backs to the wall defending I'll take it. Most of the time over the years playing wise it's been a bit of both, although some of it dire (being kind) and not all players have given 100% to the cause. Neither has it resulted in repeated success as it did at other times during the Clubs history. You may well follow your heart but be prepared for it to be broken time and again when you least expect it. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory is an art form on Tyneside. Perhaps in another thirty years without winning a single thing you may finally understand where I'm coming from. Just as you are not satisfied with the kind of football being played now I'm never going to be fully satisfied until Newcastle have won something again. I just hope I live long enough to see it happen. As for calling Pardew a puppet well Hughton received his fair share of the same and managed to change people's opinion. Pardew was tarred with the same brush and now for me is doing his best to change those opinions into a positive mindset among supporters. CWL ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 22:09:24 GMT 1
Thank you to those kind enough to reply decently and with an intention to further debate on the subject. CaptM and CWL I will first answer a common question both of you asked. How was Jol better than AP? You should understand Jol is experimenting with his Fulham squad. He is not sure of the right formation. He started off 4-3-3 in a hope to unsettle our set way of a 4-4-2. AP rather than sticking to our attacking 4-4-2 and a system that payed dividends so far decided to alter tactics just to match the opposition (the first sign of a weak manager i.e. playing to the other teams tune). However, that said the first half turned out well for us as we were compact, organized and defended well from the back. We controlled midfield with Cabaye and Guthrie excellent and Danny boy grabbing a fantastic goal. All well and good and at this point even though I still disapproved of APs defensive mentality you had to admit we were better than them. But then Jol knew he had to change the game and attack and that was helped by the injury to Sidwell and he went 4-4-2. The Fulham way of playing. AJ to run the channels and Zamora to do what he does best and hold the ball up front with Dempsey making the forward runs and Murphy pulling the strings in midfield. By the time AP could figure out what to do next Jol's men hit us with a few punches enough to land the knock out blow. AP and the NUFC fans left scratching their head. Why didn't we play a 4-4-2 and outdo their 4-3-3 from the start? Why be so negative and defend and play to the opposition's tune rather than concentrating on our own game and on getting 3 points. The thinking behind bringing on Perch was shocking (damage limitation was his tactic...being so defence minded I expected nothing better!). So there you go. As if it isn't glaringly obvious. CWL, For you to say that winning a trophy was that important goes against why we support NUFC in the first place? Isn't it because we are chosen byt eh club and because we love the club to death? Isn't style and attractive football more important than winning trophies? For me it is (I speak from the heart here...head takes a backseat). Football during the promotion season was not attractive but you cannot compare the Hughton era to this. Then we just came down, we were low on confidence, high on debt, we hated the board (still do!), we had players leaving and Chrissy Hughton did the best he could in a league where over 46 games more often than not you have to grind out results (ask anyone). I should remind you that most fans accepted that because the whole master plan was to come up and survive for one season (which we did) and then get back to playing the attractive and entertaining football that NUFC is all about. AP is not doing that. He is Ashley's puppet who's instructions are to keep the club afloat in mid table. Fairscup you ask, How the hell did Pardew come to Toon without any pressure on him? He had most of the friggin' city against him. Well he was the most hated man and that actually removed the burden of expectation. If he failed no one would blame him but Ashley for making him manager. Remember people loved Hughton and public enemy no 1 was Ashley at the time. If he did well like he did he would be a hero. His doing well was more by luck than design. PS: Canny I have better things to do than wind people up. If I have something to say I come on here and say it. Thats what a forum is for. All this glaringly obvious stuff woke me up......sorry........z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-zz-z-z-z-z-z-z- Hey Magpie.......you on mind blowing running off at the mouth pills?...........your posts are like War and Peace...... |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Jan 29, 2012 22:22:18 GMT 1
The topic: Wrong philosophy..In the dock...The accused...Pardew...The real culprit...And getting off too lightly...Ashley! So who`s philosophy are we saying is wrong here? ::
ATB)
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Jan 30, 2012 0:33:02 GMT 1
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Post by Fairscup on Jan 30, 2012 9:52:56 GMT 1
Capt. - Do you remember a while back, some of us expressed similar thoughts only to be called, I repeat "Doom mongers, WUMs and dimwitted? And now we are being told, "I told you so!" (at least in as many words) ;D ;D ;D. It's alright being argumentitive if you are consistent but this 180 turn around stuff is so easy to see through. He wondered why we accused him of being an attention seeker. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Captain Marvel on Jan 30, 2012 11:04:23 GMT 1
Capt. - Do you remember a while back, some of us expressed similar thoughts only to be called, I repeat "Doom mongers, WUMs and dimwitted? And now we are being told, "I told you so!" (at least in as many words) ;D ;D ;D. It's alright being argumentitive if you are consistent but this 180 turn around stuff is so easy to see through. He wondered why we accused him of being an attention seeker. ;D ;D ;D ;D   ATB |
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) but he is only human 
I've seen Newcastle United win silverware!
