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Post by Shadow on Jan 21, 2012 16:08:13 GMT 1
Terrible to read about the capsizing of the Costa Concordia cruise ship and the loss of life  . Clearly there are many questions that need to be answered but there was an issue that was raised which I found quite interesting.There were reports of men getting into lifeboats before all women and kids had been accommodated and much criticism of that. However I was listening to a captain talking about procedures and he was saying that the old women and children first theory is not actually used when it comes to actually evacuating a ship as it causes way too many problems and wastes valuable time. I also heard the view that if women truly want equality then shouldnt that apply here also-with men and women being given equal priority. My own feeling is that children should most certainly be given priority and a parent of the child also be allowed to accompany them but Im not comfortable with the notion that all the blokes should have to wait until last  |
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Post by Roma on Jan 21, 2012 16:15:47 GMT 1
Myself I think kiddies and their parents should go first, who ever else goes after that is up to them.
But I do think the Captain should have done a lot more than he did, and if what has been in the media is right...my opinion is he's evading the resposibilties of his job and is a coward. I wonder if we will ever know the full reason of him doing what he did. So sad that lives have been lost.
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Post by Shadow on Jan 21, 2012 16:31:38 GMT 1
Yep-he was so lucky that he managed to fall into a life boat wasnt he-along with other crew members  I do hope the truth comes out-the families and friends of those lost derserve that much at least |
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Post by Jazz on Jan 21, 2012 19:30:18 GMT 1
It does raise interesting questions re the "women & children" first business. It brings to mind that old black & white film of "Titanic" when some chap smuggled himself on one of the first lifeboats dressed in women's clothing! I suppose when time is of the essence, speed is maybe the number one rule. However, as you both say, children & their parents should be given as much priority as possible. Mind you, I did know one 62 year old chap who used to take his mother shopping and park in the "Mother & child" parking bays!
Seriously though, the captain of the ship looks as though he has a lot of serious questioning in front of him.
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Post by Shadow on Jan 21, 2012 21:06:36 GMT 1
What the captain interviewed was saying was that splitting families up-ie making the dad stay back causes massive problems with some women not wanting to go without their partner and it all adds to the delay-equally a couple for example who have been together for years-one doesnt wish to leave without the other or what about gay male couples-dont they count in the scheme of things Its the sorting everyone out that a big problem. I think we will all agree that of course kids have to have priority -but in terms of men and women with out kids I dont quite see why it should be women first  I mean-what would happen if the ships captain was a woman-is it ok for her to elbow her way to the front of the line because she is female |
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Post by skintagain on Jan 21, 2012 22:42:04 GMT 1
it's hard to say how anyone would react in the same situation we have a chemical in our brains that kicks in when this sort of thing happens it's know as human survival instinct,
i would like to think i would let women and children go before me but no one knows how they would react unless they have been in a situation like this.
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Post by Shadow on Jan 21, 2012 23:00:34 GMT 1
I agree-everyone has the survival instinct but theres another instinct and thats ensuring the survival of your kids which kicks in for many people.
Bit if you dont have kids then what ??
Many many people give their lives to try and save what is dear to them-but then you get people risking their lives for total strangers-you only have to look at the firefighters going into the twin towers when everyone else was running out-if the survival instinct was the over-riding impulse then most of them should have ran a mile away but they didnt-and others stayed behind to help colleagues
You are right-no-one knows how they will react but I think some people react one way-some another-I dont think its based on what sex you are tho-Id just hate to think that its ok for some-one to live or die potentially based on what gender they happened to be born with :/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 15:04:04 GMT 1
I agree-everyone has the survival instinct but theres another instinct and thats ensuring the survival of your kids which kicks in for many people. Bit if you dont have kids then what ?? Many many people give their lives to try and save what is dear to them-but then you get people risking their lives for total strangers-you only have to look at the firefighters going into the twin towers when everyone else was running out-if the survival instinct was the over-riding impulse then most of them should have ran a mile away but they didnt-and others stayed behind to help colleagues You are right-no-one knows how they will react but I think some people react one way-some another-I dont think its based on what sex you are tho-Id just hate to think that its ok for some-one to live or die potentially based on what gender they happened to be born with :/ Shadow.........I'd just stay with you whatever. |
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Post by Roma on Jan 22, 2012 15:09:06 GMT 1
This captain was obviously just interested in saving his own skin, and it seemed
a case of to hell with everyone else.
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Post by Banshee on Jan 22, 2012 15:41:54 GMT 1
I agree children first, parents of children second, then men and women equal. The captain is supposed to oversee that, not bail out with evryone else. Part of me was saying that we should wait for the outcome of investigations before condemning him based on hearsay, but then its hard to do that if he has saved himself before others.
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Post by Ann1 on Jan 22, 2012 15:43:35 GMT 1
I don't know why those who could, didn't swim to shore! It wasn't very far!! As for women and kids first, I agree with kids but if women want equality, then they should take their chances with the men! I suppose then it's what would you consider a kid? 12/13/14? The whole thing is fraught with difficulties, would families be willing to be split if it was women and kids first? Maybe if they had a decent Captain and proper crew, this wouldn't have arose in the first place. No one seemed to know what they were supposed to be doing!! The crew that is!!
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Post by Roma on Jan 22, 2012 15:44:46 GMT 1
I agree with you on that Banshee, I wonder if he will be sleeping easy at night with that on his conscience.
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Post by Shadow on Jan 22, 2012 15:57:45 GMT 1
And theres also the question of why that ship was so close to Giglio www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9029856/Costa-Concordia-Im-going-to-stay-here-said-captain.htmlAccording to one crew member I saw interviewed the life boats were designated for passengers and the life rafts for crew which is why men were headed for them too-and she also stated that crew members were giving up their places on the rafts for passengers. Mind from the footage it did look like there was understandable panic so it must have been a difficult situation to deal with. Ann some people did swim but some people unfortunarely couldnt swim-I was reading about a young woman still missing who was afraid of the water |
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Post by wateroftyne on Jan 23, 2012 18:26:03 GMT 1
If the boat was stuck onto the rocks or sand, then it could not sink.
Staying on the top deck would be fine until rescued, they could have taken their time to
leave. Easy to say sitting hear!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2012 20:47:13 GMT 1
If the boat was stuck onto the rocks or sand, then it could not sink. Staying on the top deck would be fine until rescued, they could have taken their time to leave. Easy to say sitting hear! Had this vessel been upright I would agree however in this case it went on its side. CWL  |
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