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Post by Banshee on Jan 7, 2012 22:34:17 GMT 1
With the recent outcome of the court case re: Stephen Lawrence- I am surprised that it doesn't seem to be much of an issue in the north east. Nobody seems to be talking about it. I am honestly asking if it was considered in this area. I was living in London at the time, and I have been watching all the documentaries about it this week. It is such an important issue considering the change in the law re: the whole "double jeopardy" issue.
I can say that it was a big issue in London at the time, and ever since. I still remember watching the news and hearing the police chief constable giving his statement, outside the Met and saying the immortal words "The coloured lad". I remember the disbelief in hearing those words.
I know that we have had many a discussion on here about language and the whole "coloured" thing, but if you are a Londoner and/or were living in London at the time, you would know how significant that was in realising the attitude of the police at the time. It explains so well the importance of words and language. when me and my friends & family heard that statement , we knew that something was very wrong, just from hearing those words, it portrayed a whole attitude behind their thinking and their actions. The language showed the institutional racism in the police.
The documentaries this week were upsetting but also a testament to how things have changed......hopefully.
I really would like to know if this issue matters to people up here?
I know we all get caught up in local issues, but while I was rattling tins in London, to collect for the striking miners in the North east, despite not having ever visited the North East, I would like to think that you gave a shit about injustices in London.
Did you all give a shit? I would really like to know?
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Post by Shadow on Jan 7, 2012 23:01:39 GMT 1
I was living in South London at the time of Stephen Lawrences Murder-and I know the Well Hall roundabout well-just up from Lee High Road-I passed my driving test in the area.
Every time I see the newspaper pictures it brings it back.
And I occasionally drank in pubs in Eltham-you know how some discussions cross over-well this one does too.
I hated the place.If there was ever somewhere where you walked in and felt uncomfortable that place was it.It was already proud to be an NF stronghold in the late eighties/nineties but it didnt stop there-the place had a bad feeling about it unless you were white and fitted in.
Same feral faces then as you get now.
Everyone knew who killed Stephen and they got off with it for 18 years
North East reaction-well youve had mine-but Ill add my dads-born and bred for 73 years up here and as right off as you can get-bang to rights,guilty as sin and obvious-first thing he said to me after I picked the kids up
I was gobsmacked.
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Post by Banshee on Jan 7, 2012 23:06:25 GMT 1
Thanks Shads. That's reasurring. I was thinking that nobody gave a shit. Would be good to hear other views, and to realise that people do actually give shit about a wasted life.
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Post by Ann1 on Jan 7, 2012 23:08:30 GMT 1
I wasn't living in London, and I wasn't here then either I was still in Wales. And must say it wasn't an issue there, no more than any other tragic death I mean. No thinking about it, I wasn't in Wales then either!! It was 18 years ago?? If so I was down in Dorset, but used to go up to Wales virtually every other month, so I know it wasn't such a "big deal". I don't mean that to sound horrible but I think you all know what I mean.
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Post by Shadow on Jan 7, 2012 23:13:53 GMT 1
Having lived in Londan, travelled the country, and heard of the hundreds of attacks on White people by Blacks. The ethnic cleansing of vast areas of the country (white flight they call it). I will be honest and say it didn't particularly register with me. Still makes me angry that when one non white is killed in a racist attacke it hits the headlines,but when a white person is nothing is reported. How many on here know of Kriss Donald without looking it up on wikipedia? Hundreds of attacks. So many pre Stephen that his didnt penetrate your radar. Ok-I'll bite-tell me about all these attacks and how horrifying they were. |
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Post by Banshee on Jan 7, 2012 23:14:45 GMT 1
Having lived in Londan, travelled the country, and heard of the hundreds of attacks on White people by Blacks. The ethnic cleansing of vast areas of the country (white flight they call it). I will be honest and say it didn't particularly register with me. Still makes me angry that when one non white is killed in a racist attacke it hits the headlines,but when a white person is nothing is reported. How many on here know of Kriss Donald without looking it up on wikipedia? I think that you have missed the whole point Rums. The murder of Stephen Lawrence is signicant because he was treated differently being black, than he would have been if he were white. Thats the WHOLE f*****g POINT! Where have you been? And dont start off on some race war man. What about Blair peach? Look that up on wikipedia? Injustce is injustice regardless of race. |
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Post by Shadow on Jan 7, 2012 23:18:21 GMT 1
I wasn't living in London, and I wasn't here then either I was still in Wales. And must say it wasn't an issue there, no more than any other tragic death I mean. No thinking about it, I wasn't in Wales then either!! It was 18 years ago?? If so I was down in Dorset, but used to go up to Wales virtually every other month, so I know it wasn't such a "big deal". I don't mean that to sound horrible but I think you all know what I mean. I can understand that Ann-but you arent the one rattling on about these hundreds of murders that made Stephens death pale into nothing. I have to laugh-how did we survive  |
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Post by Ann1 on Jan 7, 2012 23:18:59 GMT 1
Muggings by Black people are a daily occurence on our streets and have been for years. They don'tmake the news because they are so frequent. |
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Post by Shadow on Jan 7, 2012 23:19:53 GMT 1
Muggings by Black people are a daily occurence on our streets and have been for years. They don'tmake the news because they are so frequent. You want to look a bit closer to home my friend  |
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Post by Banshee on Jan 7, 2012 23:22:33 GMT 1
Muggings by Black people are a daily occurence on our streets and have been for years. They don'tmake the news because they are so frequent. LOL! And what streets would that be then Rums? Is that the mean streets of south Shields? The mugging of sanddancers makes daily news on North East dont it. bet you keepimg your wallet close by as you leave the Tavistock everynight aint ya? |
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Post by Jazz on Jan 7, 2012 23:34:22 GMT 1
Yes, it was and is, a terrible thing that happened but not having lived in a multi cultural area it probably didn't register with me as much as it did in London, Birmingham, etc etc. However I absolutely hated that bit on the TV News where the "accused gang" ran the gauntlet of people/reporters. They looked and acted like a bunch of nazis. I briefly visited my son in Aston, Brum and when I arrived there were police on every corner and a hell of an atmosphere. It turned out that there had been a sexual assault by an Afro Carribbien on an Asian.....so mob rule had taken over. We, obviously don't have quite such a mixed race society so things like that don't occur. No gang culture in Tyneside either so that's a factor too. There were the famous/infamous race riots in South Shields years ago but that was about Yemenis (Lascars) supposedly taking local seamen's jobs. Since then the Yemenis integrated with many marrying white women and maybe yellow women etc etc......as it should be.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 10:27:25 GMT 1
Are you are saying is non white lives don't matter???
How do you justify your assertion that white live are more valuable the people from other ethnicity???
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 13:57:41 GMT 1
Does this include white gang members? Or are you denying they exist?
Gang culture transcends all race and ethnicity.
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Post by fourrums on Jan 9, 2012 18:39:25 GMT 1
Are you are saying is non white lives don't matter??? How do you justify your assertion that white live are more valuable the people from other ethnicity??? I replied to this and it's gone. Just for the record. And I didn't get a PM telling me why as I was informed we did. |
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Post by Ann1 on Jan 9, 2012 19:28:24 GMT 1
Have a look on the updates section, it'll tell you why they went. Everything that mods do is posted on the update section, so that everyone knows what's going on.
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