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Post by magpie4ever99 on Sept 2, 2011 18:29:44 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 19:42:38 GMT 1
No names....................umm! So which of the half dozen players linked with us was the Number One target Decka................that's even if you know? Also just who was the final target, if again you can supply a name, as I sure as hell don't believe it was Luiz. No one as far as I'm aware is asking the Club to make knee jerk decisions at the last minute which are not in the best interests of the Club. But doing something positive in eights months regarding a striker is not a lot to ask for surely. The rest is no more than we could have expected................. nice statement about what was achieved which just left the same huge question mark from January over what was not. Oh! Well now that's out of the way and the major part of the transfer profit is tucked away with it in the safe, let's see how those players at the Club in the first team 25 squad react................ Lots to play for don't you know. Next two games should be very interesting................. CWL  |
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Sept 2, 2011 21:46:22 GMT 1
If you want a top striker you have to shell out some money. Quality doesn't come cheap. If we offered 12 million for Ruiz (if reports are the believed) and the deal fell over personal terms when why not bid 10 million for Crouch with the extra 2 million more than enough to cover and offer him better personal terms. Decka and Cashley surely dont know a thing about football.
Nice speech but I expected Pardew to have given it. Who's in charge of transfers here?! Jeez....Well roll on QPR.
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Post by Fairscup on Sept 3, 2011 7:37:30 GMT 1
It beggars belief. The statement says 'no knee-jerk' yet we have been told of bids for N'Zogbia and Bryan Ruiz late on each of the last two deadline days respectively. Are the club now saying those bids didn't happen, or are they contradicting themselves?
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Sept 3, 2011 10:40:00 GMT 1
It beggars belief. The statement says 'no knee-jerk' yet we have been told of bids for N'Zogbia and Bryan Ruiz late on each of the last two deadline days respectively. Are the club now saying those bids didn't happen, or are they contradicting themselves? Knee-jerk decisions was referring to succumbing to excessive wage demands by Ruiz on the final day. |
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Sept 3, 2011 10:41:34 GMT 1
Ruiz deal broke over 'personal terms being agreed'. Ruiz asked for way too much wage p.w. Our lot said NO thank you. We won't be forced to pay over the odds and be taken advantage of.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 12:11:40 GMT 1
It beggars belief. The statement says 'no knee-jerk' yet we have been told of bids for N'Zogbia and Bryan Ruiz late on each of the last two deadline days respectively. Are the club now saying those bids didn't happen, or are they contradicting themselves? Knee-jerk decisions was referring to succumbing to excessive wage demands by Ruiz on the final day. Do you honestly believe that is what went on...............? Ruiz had never been mentioned as a target anywhere during the whole period leading up to and throughout the transfer window until the final day! I know we all see things differently, but I'm struggling to understand how you can possibly give anything surrounding this story credence. I don't doubt we put a last minute bid in to his Club as they said as much, however I seriously doubt it was ever going to result in the lad coming to the Toon. The lame excuse about not reaching personal terms is feable to say the least. Of course they were never going to reach agreement as they had to the best of my knowledge never spoken to the lad himself. There are just so many holes in the official statement released by the Club allegedly through Lambsarse it looks as if it was written about ten minutes before they put it out! Pity he didn't take more time to reflect on that aspect as they apparently did on the transfer business itself. More smoke and mirrors IMO............ Lets hope they are a lot better at identifying suitable strikers and preparing to sign someone between now and next January than they were between January and September this year. Pure farce from our MD................. Even The Fat Controller must cringe when he reads what is reported as coming out of that guys mouth. For once APee did the correct thing by distancing himself from such garbage and appearing unprepared to be the fall guy again. CWL |
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Post by Fairscup on Sept 3, 2011 12:36:27 GMT 1
Any transfer business conducted on final day of a 100 day window can in my opinion be considered a knee jerk reaction. Particularly when, if the newspapers are to be believed, the target is number six or seven on the list.
Someone once said that the only reason they were after a striker at all was to appease the moaners and yet our illustrious chairman states that they have been after a striker all summer. The moaning began when it appeared that we weren't going to get one - well founded in my opinion.
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Sept 3, 2011 14:41:39 GMT 1
CWL - truth is none of us will ever know what happened. Those involved with the club will know and thats why as supporters we have to read whats given to us.
I'm sorry but you preach like you know what happened and what you state to be the truth. Such was the tone of that last post. No disrespect but I cant see how you can be any sure than the rest of us.
We did put in a bid for Ruiz and the bid was accepted. The deal didnt go through because it was that late in the window. Coming to Fairsup's point of why leave it that late then? Where was plan B? Well we all know what a big club we are and how the whole world watched what the clubs in the PL are doing. Following the departure of AC and with the knowledge that NUFC have 35 million to spend, other clubs doing business with us were always going to make it difficult when we approached them for their strikers. The striker in question will also demand excessive wages because he knows we have cash in the bank. We were always going to find it difficult doing business post ACs transfer. Fans think it is easy, but it is more difficult. And I believe this because you look at the astronomical transfer fees these days even for ordinary players!!!
With social media (facebook, twitter, blogs , forum etc) having so much power these days in spreading rumours / truth, information is fast and easily available. No sooner than we make a bid the information leaks and the whole world knows what we are doing. This only makes it harder for us to do business. Why do you think we found players in other positions so easily then? And credit to the board for doing most of their businees so early in the summer. The striker is always going to be difficult.
Take another example. Melvut Erdnic who was clearly our main target, our plan A. His club (the turkish one) were so stubborn and shifted the price higher and higher and wouldnt let the player move. Our plan B was people like Cisse, Maiga, Roux. Again the same problem.
To be honest if my plan A didnt work I wouldnt look at other plans if I feel I could have stuck it out till the next window. I feel we have good enough strikers to see us to safety. So I am glad the club didn't do hasty transfer business. Besides just because we have a windfall of cash doesn't mean we blow it out on one window? Thats just bad business sense overall! And bad common sense as well!! Say you won the lottery would you splash the cash all in a few days? No, you'd spend some and save a little for the future. Thats what is happening to the AC money. Or at least part of it. Of course as owner Ashley has every right to do what he wants with every penny. Blame the pervious lot to selling it to such a man!!
I know of everyone's hatred for the current owner. None more than me myself. However, I see emotions taking over and people not reasoning these days (I feel).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 16:59:28 GMT 1
Magpie I regret if my post came across to you as preaching as that was far from my intention. My only purpose was to find out why you believe what you do? Interesting you use the word truth quite a bit in your response. Well for me that is something in very short supply these days at Gallowgate. I also don't need a lesson in how to conduct business deals as I have more than enough personal experience of such matters. As for the way in which you used in your post Social Networking and other technological mediums for leaking information about prospective deals as some kind of reason the Club failed to bring in a striker quite frankly to me smacks of clutching at straws. That is the world we live in and every other Premier League Club appears to get by okay. Why is NUFC so different? Again I fail to understand how in the case of finding a quality striker to bring into the squad negotiations become any more of a major headache. I have followed Football and Newcastle in particular too long to believe other Clubs suddenly see us coming for their Centre Forward and the purchase price is hiked up, players personal terms escalate and yet the same doesn't apply because it's a goalkeeper, defender or midfield player. Selling Clubs will always try and get the best deal they can................as will the player when it comes to a contract. That's why negotiations are required in the first place. You rightly pointed out the Club did after all manage to bring in quality players in some key areas such as midfield and finally at left back. Both at the beginning of the Window and near the end. For me the major difference was all about money...................as The Clubs net spend was only £600,000 down on transfers concluded. As you said yourself if you want quality you have to pay for it. Well I'm now of a mind that says NUFC did not want to negotiate meaningfully with anyone nor pay a market rate for a striker regardless. It had nothing to do with finding the right target or the transfer fee or even personal terms. Ba being the benchmark for that way of operating. Put quite simply Mikey came to the conclusion the squad had sufficient to do what he deemed required therefore decided to retain what he received from the transfer of Andy Carroll, season ticket sales, corporate sponsorship and his other revenue streams. That is always his prerogative as Owner, however it just leaves another sour taste in many supporters mouths because he hadn't the balls to come out and declare it sooner. All we did get was a boat load of rhetoric from Decka in the form of a prepared statement with more holes in it than your average colander All conjecture I grant you and time again will tell whether I am anywhere near....................or perhaps never will. However one thing I will not do is expect to see a quality striker walk through the doors at SJP come January. It is not the window to do that kind of business in unless we are really in desperate trouble and I pray to the Football Gods that is not the case. CWL  |
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Sept 3, 2011 17:11:43 GMT 1
CWL, if someone sees Newcastle come in for a striker they just double the amount. It's as simple as that. Everyone knows it  Because they know we are in search of a striker and they know the board will be under pressure from the 'expectant' Geordie nation to deliver. Had FS been there you'd see Ruiz come in for 12 million and on 80K p.w. Not under Ashley. He's a cheap bastard but also knows how to do business. And judging by the success of Sports Direct he is quite a good businessman. Not sticking up for him. But stating facts. Why not for other positions you ask? Because there they know we aren't quite so desperate Hope this answers your questions. And since you say you have experience in business matters (as I am sure) from personal life, I am sure you'd agree that it is not prudent to go spend all your money in one window. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 22:53:16 GMT 1
Makes me think Clubs will still see us coming in January then......... Unless of course our transfer policy and way of negotiating hasn't pd them all off to the point we are considered a pariah among Clubs to do business with! We didn't exactly endear ourselves to Sochaux or Swansea and despite achieving a desired outcome in actually paying for Elliot you could say the same about Charlton. Certainly in the case of the French Club NUFC may not have heard the last of it from UEFA. Although I personally hope it just fades away into nothing and remains inconclusive. CWL |
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Sept 3, 2011 23:42:55 GMT 1
Makes me think Clubs will still see us coming in January then......... Unless of course our transfer policy and way of negotiating hasn't pd them all off to the point we are considered a pariah among Clubs to do business with! We didn't exactly endear ourselves to Sochaux or Swansea and despite achieving a desired outcome in actually paying for Elliot you could say the same about Charlton. Certainly in the case of the French Club NUFC may not have heard the last of it from UEFA. Although I personally hope it just fades away into nothing and remains inconclusive. CWL Yes clubs selling strikers will see us come in Jan but less so because they now know we have spent and wont spend over the odds. They'll also probably not want to do business with us because as you say Ashley must have had pd them all off. All this means Jan won't be too interesting. So don't expect a striker in Jan  Unless we are struggling with the drop which I don't hope. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 11:30:20 GMT 1
One thing we do appear in agreement over is that neither of us wants to see the team struggling come January.................... Hopefully the 'Smells like Toon Spirit' will prevail................ something I would really enjoy. I have little time for The Fat Controller or Lambsarse, however the manager still retains my benefit of the doubt while the team no matter what happens will always have my support. At the moment my thoughts following the transfer window are of what might have been. In the January window we could possibly with some astutue signings like bringing the NZog back have pushed on for a Europa League position. That did not happen and Mikey brought £35m into the Club which looked a great piece of business if not perhaps from a Footballing perspective. I feel very much the same following this window as well.................. No matter how you dress it up for me it's still lost opportunities and caution rather than taking positive action and being bold. The strange thing is that the latter is exactly what Mikey does in the retail world yet for some reason appears afraid to do so with The Toon. Reading and speaking to plenty of other people about events at NUFC and something which is starting to surface quite a bit is that the fear element doesn't rest with Mikey it's Lambsarse, he is completely out of his depth. The small matter of who do you replace him with is another thing entirely should he get the boot. As the saying goes 'May you live in interesting times' just appears very apt with this lot running the show. CWL  |
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Post by magpie4ever99 on Sept 4, 2011 15:05:47 GMT 1
I would not have Nzog back. Traitor and cry baby that he is. Kinnear did one good thing and called him insomnia ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I've seen Newcastle United win silverware!
Because they know we are in search of a striker and they know the board will be under pressure from the 'expectant' Geordie nation to deliver. Had FS been there you'd see Ruiz come in for 12 million and on 80K p.w. Not under Ashley. He's a cheap bastard but also knows how to do business. And judging by the success of Sports Direct he is quite a good businessman. Not sticking up for him. But stating facts.
Unless we are struggling with the drop which I don't hope.