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Post by Shadow on May 6, 2011 14:50:57 GMT 1
The press are reporting that AlQaeda have confirmed the death of Bin Laden however it is impossible to verify whether or not the announcement was genuinely made by that membership. Once again its all unverifiable and this is the whole problem.The only definitive proof is allegedly at the bottom of the ocean. I believe that he is dead however as I said Im having real problems with the official version  |
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on May 6, 2011 17:08:45 GMT 1
Arent we in danger of turning into that which we despise? The bible advocates alot of things we no longer find acceptable such as the stoning of women and child sacarifice for instance I think for Bin Laden the end justified the means. Bin Laden is up there with Hitler...Musoline...Idi Amin & Tony Blair along with others they were responsible for the death of millions |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 18:06:09 GMT 1
Blair may well indirectly have blood on his hands and certainly his conscience, however to say he is responsible for the deaths of millions is ludicrous IMO. CWL  |
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on May 6, 2011 19:51:10 GMT 1
Blair may well indirectly have blood on his hands and certainly his conscience, however to say he is responsible for the deaths of millions is ludicrous IMO. CWL So you think sending our troops into an illegal war to kill and to be killed is ludicrous....well good on you CWL. Oh and by the way i did not say Blair was responsible for millions of deaths.....Read my post again |
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Post by Shadow on May 6, 2011 20:05:36 GMT 1
But by the same token nick-many innocent people have lost their lives in Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I'd suggest more than were killed by the bombing of the twin towers for instance and that includes troops and civilians.I was reading figures today that did approach the million mark.
I find it depressing that on the one hand the West can celebrate the death of the one time leader of Al Qaeda in almost a vengeful way but ignore the innocents who also died because this one man had to be killed.
Collateral damage isnt it?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 20:36:30 GMT 1
Blair may well indirectly have blood on his hands and certainly his conscience, however to say he is responsible for the deaths of millions is ludicrous IMO. CWL So you think sending our troops into an illegal war to kill and to be killed is ludicrous....well good on you CWL. Oh and by the way i did not say Blair was responsible for millions of deaths.....Read my post again Okay I have read it again.......................so what does the following mean exactly...........collectively or otherwise? 'they were responsible for the death of millions'
You are implying by assocaition Blair is on a par with some of histories most horrendous individuals. Why no Bush or other World Political figures in there also? As for my use of the word ludicrous perhaps you should also practice what you preach and read it again as at no point did I mention the sending of troops into what you define as an illegal war. It was for your information the statement you made which I found ludicrous. CWL  |
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on May 6, 2011 20:38:24 GMT 1
But by the same token nick-many innocent people have lost their lives in Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan. I'd suggest more than were killed by the bombing of the twin towers for instance and that includes troops and civilians.I was reading figures today that did approach the million mark. I find it depressing that on the one hand the West can celebrate the death of the one time leader of Al Qaeda in almost a vengeful way but ignore the innocents who also died because this one man had to be killed. Collateral damage isnt it? Shads what happened with the twin towers we had no power over and cant be seen as collateral damage as the whole object was to kill innocents. |
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Post by Shadow on May 6, 2011 22:04:12 GMT 1
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Post by Banshee on May 7, 2011 19:59:24 GMT 1
This whole thing is sounding more and more doubtful everyday. If osama was the enemy of the world, then why did USA assume to be in charge of the world and become judge and jury. I would have wanted a trial, and for the rest of the world to be judge and jury, not just the Americans. They say that the plan was to take him alive first. Well lets hear what plans they had in place for where to hold him after they captured him. We wont know that because there were no plans. it seems clear to me that the plan was to kill him all along. The fact that he was shot in the face and then buried at sea smacks of making sure that no official identity could be confirmed.
No matter what the crime or how evil the person is, the fact that we allow proper process of law makes us above that. if we stoop to the level of the criminal then we are no better than they are, and have no defense when criticism is directed toward the people who assumed themselves to be the judgment makers.
And questioning the validity of this whole episode does not in any way make me a sympathizer, it simply makes me a human being.
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Post by Shadow on May 7, 2011 20:33:49 GMT 1
Exactly
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Post by Jazz on May 7, 2011 21:17:20 GMT 1
Somebody, can't remember who, on "Question Time" said, and we've all heard this:- "The world will be a safer place. Be prepared for an imminent attack".........Says it all really!  |
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Post by Ann1 on May 7, 2011 21:31:04 GMT 1
I agree there should be "due process of law", however, in this case I don't think they could have taken him alive! Can you imagine what would happen if they had him prisoner? People would be kidnapped and held for ransom all over the world!! And as America would not free him obviously, the people would be killed!
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on May 7, 2011 21:35:50 GMT 1
So you think sending our troops into an illegal war to kill and to be killed is ludicrous....well good on you CWL. Oh and by the way i did not say Blair was responsible for millions of deaths.....Read my post again Okay I have read it again.......................so what does the following mean exactly...........collectively or otherwise? 'they were responsible for the death of millions'
You are implying by assocaition Blair is on a par with some of histories most horrendous individuals. Why no Bush or other World Political figures in there also? As for my use of the word ludicrous perhaps you should also practice what you preach and read it again as at no point did I mention the sending of troops into what you define as an illegal war. It was for your information the statement you made which I found ludicrous. CWL I said along with others they were responsible for millions of deaths. So yes i meant collectively which is what i thought i had said granted i didnt use the word collectively but i thought it was obvious what i meant The phrase along with others was meant to include the likes of Bush ...Stalin and so on but if i were to write down everyone who were responsible for the deaths innocents would be here all night |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2011 21:48:38 GMT 1
I said along with others they were responsible for millions of deaths. So yes i meant collectively which is what i thought i had said granted i didnt use the word collectively but i thought it was obvious what i meant The phrase along with others was meant to include the likes of Bush ...Stalin and so on but if i were to write down everyone who were responsible for the deaths innocents would be here all night Not as obvious as you thought then................... I do however agree we would be here all night should there be an attempt to write down all the names of those associated with the deaths of millions of innocent people. Proving responsibility is another thing entirely! CWL |
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on May 7, 2011 21:50:02 GMT 1
Somebody, can't remember who, on "Question Time" said, and we've all heard this:- "The world will be a safer place. Be prepared for an imminent attack".........Says it all really! Thing is Jazz they could of killed Bin Laden a while back but they missed their chance and not long after Bin Laden's people attacked the twin towers. If reports are to believed the infomation that is being collated from the hard drives they took when they killed Bin Laden Al-Qaeda were planning attacks on the American rail system I think the US is damned if they do and they are damned if they dont. Personally i dont think the US will suffer any revenge attacks this country is another kettle of fish because we have a few high ranking Al-Qaeda supporters living here. |
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