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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on Apr 4, 2011 13:09:41 GMT 1
I have just been watching the news about the Policeman
killed in Northern Ireland and who should be making a statement
but good old Martin Mcguinness & Peter Robinson
They said the terrorists who did this were enemies of
Ireland.....Along with Jerry Adams who condemned the killing
yesterday they make my skin crawl
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Post by Shadow on Apr 4, 2011 18:18:22 GMT 1
Always so sad to see anyone so young lose their life  I think that the reason I found this so shocking was almost the complete unexpectedness of it.When I was growing up there were unfortunately stories like this aplenty with so many losing their lives during "the troubles" but in recent years the conflict in Northern Ireland was no longer so prominent with the peace process seeming to progress and other things becoming more newsworthy And in Omagh. I'm at a loss at what the murderers of this young man were hoping to achieve here-and granted as yet we dont even know who is responsible-but hearing from what ordinary people have had to say-that they dont want to go back to how things were-well it makes Ronan Kerrs death so much more senseless. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 19:26:42 GMT 1
I thought all that was resigned to the history, but it only takes one.
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Post by Jazz on Apr 4, 2011 21:55:08 GMT 1
I thought all that was resigned to the history, but it only takes one. Some people seem determined to carry on this senseless "business".....does it give them some sense of identity in an otherwise mundane, bleak life.....a twisted kind of purpose to their maybe sad lives? |
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Post by Roma on Apr 4, 2011 21:56:22 GMT 1
I just hope all the troubles in Northern Ireland don't start up again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 22:06:50 GMT 1
Roma for some they never stopped................... CWL  |
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Post by Banshee on Apr 9, 2011 14:07:14 GMT 1
I have just been watching the news about the Policeman killed in Northern Ireland and who should be making a statement but good old Martin Mcguinness & Peter Robinson They said the terrorists who did this were enemies of Ireland.....Along with Jerry Adams who condemned the killing yesterday they make my skin crawl Its exactly because there is a peace process and that we have moved on that resulted in the majority of people coming out in condemnation of this appalling act. Surely the fact that prominent people, who previously would not have spoken out against terrorist acts, are now doing so, is a testament to the success of the peace process. When people turn away form terrorism and work for peace, that should make you feel positive. I don't understand why it made your skin crawl. Surely the patriotism shown in that strong statement about the perpetrators being enemies of Ireland, is the sort of patriotism that we want isn't it?  Unless you are suggesting that they should have spoken out in support of the act. Or worse still said nothing at all. if you want terrorists to move on, and work towards peace, then you also have to do that. We all have to do it together. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2011 14:23:38 GMT 1
I have just been watching the news about the Policeman killed in Northern Ireland and who should be making a statement but good old Martin Mcguinness & Peter Robinson They said the terrorists who did this were enemies of Ireland.....Along with Jerry Adams who condemned the killing yesterday they make my skin crawl Its exactly because there is a peace process and that we have moved on that resulted in the majority of people coming out in condemnation of this appalling act. Surely the fact that prominent people, who previously would not have spoken out against terrorist acts, are now doing so, is a testament to the success of the peace process. When people turn away form terrorism and work for peace, that should make you feel positive. I don't understand why it made your skin crawl. Surely the patriotism shown in that strong statement about the perpetrators being enemies of Ireland, is the sort of patriotism that we want isn't it? Unless you are suggesting that they should have spoken out in support of the act. Or worse still said nothing at all. if you want terrorists to move on, and work towards peace, then you also have to do that. We all have to do it together.  CWL  |
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on Apr 9, 2011 15:00:48 GMT 1
I have just been watching the news about the Policeman killed in Northern Ireland and who should be making a statement but good old Martin Mcguinness & Peter Robinson They said the terrorists who did this were enemies of Ireland.....Along with Jerry Adams who condemned the killing yesterday they make my skin crawl Its exactly because there is a peace process and that we have moved on that resulted in the majority of people coming out in condemnation of this appalling act. Surely the fact that prominent people, who previously would not have spoken out against terrorist acts, are now doing so, is a testament to the success of the peace process. When people turn away form terrorism and work for peace, that should make you feel positive. I don't understand why it made your skin crawl. Surely the patriotism shown in that strong statement about the perpetrators being enemies of Ireland, is the sort of patriotism that we want isn't it? Unless you are suggesting that they should have spoken out in support of the act. Or worse still said nothing at all. if you want terrorists to move on, and work towards peace, then you also have to do that. We all have to do it together. Not long ago Mcguinness and co were the ones behind the killing of Policemen and thats what makes my skin crawl I realy didnt think i would have to explain it. Why was it important to mention the policeman's religion that will just make any gap in the comunity wider surly it would of been a lot more productive to announce that a policeman had been murdered that would of had more chance of bringing both sides out in suport of peace Once a terrorist Always a terrorist its amazing how people forget . |
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Post by Banshee on Apr 9, 2011 15:54:34 GMT 1
Its exactly because there is a peace process and that we have moved on that resulted in the majority of people coming out in condemnation of this appalling act. Surely the fact that prominent people, who previously would not have spoken out against terrorist acts, are now doing so, is a testament to the success of the peace process. When people turn away form terrorism and work for peace, that should make you feel positive. I don't understand why it made your skin crawl. Surely the patriotism shown in that strong statement about the perpetrators being enemies of Ireland, is the sort of patriotism that we want isn't it? Unless you are suggesting that they should have spoken out in support of the act. Or worse still said nothing at all. if you want terrorists to move on, and work towards peace, then you also have to do that. We all have to do it together. Not long ago Mcguinness and co were the ones behind the killing of Policemen and thats what makes my skin crawl I realy didnt think i would have to explain it. Why was it important to mention the policeman's religion that will just make any gap in the comunity wider surly it would of been a lot more productive to announce that a policeman had been murdered that would of had more chance of bringing both sides out in suport of peace Once a terrorist Always a terrorist its amazing how people forget . They stated his religion because that's what the media do. They never saw the political situation in Ireland as anything other than a religious conflict. It was never about religion. it was about politics. A person's religion was just part of the whole identity of what political belief you had. We have argued all this before Nick. To put it in simple terms- if a group of Newcastle fans came across a group of Sunderland fans, and they ended up having a fight. The fight would be about their opposing allegiances, and the different teams they support, and not about the colour of their T-shirts. The fact that they were wearing red/white or black/white T-shirts would identify where their allegiances lay. They wouldn't be fighting over 'colours' would they? But colours would advertise who they supported. The same for politics in Ireland. Religious belief helps to identify what your political beliefs are. In the main, (but not exclusively) Most loyalists are protestant, and most Nationalists are catholic. Its just part of their identity on a much wider political belief system. Catholics and protestants didn't disagree with each other due to religion. Nationalists and Loyalists disagreed. That was way too complicated for the mainstream media so it was always reported as a religious conflict. (wrongly) Do you trust the media, Nick, over those of us who have experienced the actual conflict? If that is the case, then I assume that you believe that Freddie Starr did indeed eat someone's hamster.  |
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on Apr 9, 2011 18:15:15 GMT 1
Not long ago Mcguinness and co were the ones behind the killing of Policemen and thats what makes my skin crawl I realy didnt think i would have to explain it. Why was it important to mention the policeman's religion that will just make any gap in the comunity wider surly it would of been a lot more productive to announce that a policeman had been murdered that would of had more chance of bringing both sides out in suport of peace Once a terrorist Always a terrorist its amazing how people forget . They stated his religion because that's what the media do. They never saw the political situation in Ireland as anything other than a religious conflict. It was never about religion. it was about politics. A person's religion was just part of the whole identity of what political belief you had. We have argued all this before Nick. To put it in simple terms- if a group of Newcastle fans came across a group of Sunderland fans, and they ended up having a fight. The fight would be about their opposing allegiances, and the different teams they support, and not about the colour of their T-shirts. The fact that they were wearing red/white or black/white T-shirts would identify where their allegiances lay. They wouldn't be fighting over 'colours' would they? But colours would advertise who they supported. The same for politics in Ireland. Religious belief helps to identify what your political beliefs are. In the main, (but not exclusively) Most loyalists are protestant, and most Nationalists are catholic. Its just part of their identity on a much wider political belief system. Catholics and protestants didn't disagree with each other due to religion. Nationalists and Loyalists disagreed. That was way too complicated for the mainstream media so it was always reported as a religious conflict. (wrongly) Do you trust the media, Nick, over those of us who have experienced the actual conflict? If that is the case, then I assume that you believe that Freddie Starr did indeed eat someone's hamster. Bansh i know where you stand on the troubles in Ireland You explained when Shads & me came to yours after the first meet There was no reason for the long winded reply we all know what the media do and why. The point of my post was here were a couple of ex terrorists standing over the grave of a police officer who was some one who they would of spat on 20 years ago no matter what their beliefs |
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Post by Banshee on Apr 9, 2011 18:26:43 GMT 1
Ex-terrorist(though that is debatable) being the operative word! You are trying to take us back, but some of us are trying to move forward. Martin Mc being one of those people. I admire a man who is ready to discard his previous longstanding convictions for the sake of peace. That shows a true man of conviction as apposed to someone who stands by the Daily Mail.
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Post by nicknackpaddywhack on Apr 9, 2011 20:21:50 GMT 1
Ex-terrorist(though that is debatable) being the operative word! You are trying to take us back, but some of us are trying to move forward. Martin Mc being one of those people. I admire a man who is ready to discard his previous longstanding convictions for the sake of peace. That shows a true man of conviction as apposed to someone who stands by the Daily Mail. Try telling that to the families of all those who were murdered The fact that they have discarded their convictions is irrelevant as others have took up the cause so its basically back to square one . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2011 21:34:14 GMT 1
As it ever was...............  CWL  |
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