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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 20:00:53 GMT 1
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Post by Shadow on Feb 11, 2011 23:24:59 GMT 1
I'm in two minds with this one.In the last few years I've found some things being introduced absolutely ridiculous.At my younger sons Primary it was getting to the silly stage,with photographs of nativity plays banned,parents and grandparents volunteering to help out subject to police checks,birthday cakes etc not being allowed to be brought in,football in the yard banned as well as games like tag which involved running in case the kids fell over-it was starting to feel like a nanny state gone mad  And I also found the idea that altho you may have had a CRB check as part of your present job ,if you applied for another position you had to have another supplied often at your own cost-I just saw it as a money making scam. However I do think that people working with vunerable people should have checks-altho I also feel that a criminal conviction shouldnt necessarily stop some-one being employed-the nature of the offence and circumstance should also be considered. In terms of paedophiles-many have no convictions anyway |
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Post by Roma on Feb 11, 2011 23:29:56 GMT 1
Myself I don't think this is a good thing for the government to do. I would'nt go as far as to say it is going to be a paedophiles picnic Milkhope, but I do feel the check's are a necessity in this day and age, and I can asee it causing a lot of problems.
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Post by Ann1 on Feb 11, 2011 23:41:13 GMT 1
Well I'm with shads on this one!! What the hell is wrong with everyone these days?? Seeing bogeymen round every flaming corner. TBH I don't think things are any worse than they were years ago, the difference is now you have the media whipping everyone up into a frenzy about things!!! The most abuse happens within the family, no amount of CRB checks are going to stop that!! 
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Post by Shadow on Feb 11, 2011 23:45:06 GMT 1
Everything Ive read on this bears out the fact that children are far more likely to be abused by a family member or some-one known to them and that numbers of kids hasnt risen-its just that people are more aware of this now and are reporting.
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Post by Ann1 on Feb 11, 2011 23:58:24 GMT 1
Yes exactly what I said!! The media gets everyone afraid of their own bleeding shadows (no pun intended  ) Kids are getting fat and lethargic because parents are too frightened to let them out to play!! I feel sorry for kids these days, I go on another forum, and this was one of the topics that came up. Well, you should have heard some of the mothers  I'm convinced they live in a different bloody country to me!!! The frightening thing is that these cosseted kids are the one that will be running the country in 20/30 years time!!! They might have invented a bubble that people can put round their houses by then, so they don't have to have contact with other people!!! Thank god I won't be around to see it!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 0:05:43 GMT 1
All I will say on this topic is that after one media frenzied incident CRB checks will be back with a vengence! CWL  |
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Post by Ann1 on Feb 12, 2011 0:14:56 GMT 1
Sadly I think you're right CWL
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Post by Shadow on Feb 12, 2011 0:19:06 GMT 1
I was thinking about this and its strange in a way that we insist that the likes of teachers or people working with the elderly etc are subject to CRB checks etc but we dont expect the likes of priests to need this as far as I am aware. Its one of the only positions I can think of where a person can have access to kids ,the elderly vunerable etc without such checks-its all based on trust and as we have seen that trust has too often been abused. Just a random thought that pops into your head late on a Friday night |
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Post by Ann1 on Feb 12, 2011 0:27:33 GMT 1
Good point shads!! It made no difference to Ian Huntley anyway, he'd had a CRB check, and look what happened!! It's like everything though, H & S being a classic example!! It starts off as a good idea, then the jobsworths get hold of it, and it ends up that you can't take photos of kids and grandkids in the school play!!!
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Post by Jazz on Feb 12, 2011 0:28:19 GMT 1
I was thinking about this and its strange in a way that we insist that the likes of teachers or people working with the elderly etc are subject to CRB checks etc but we dont expect the likes of priests to need this as far as I am aware. Its one of the only positions I can think of where a person can have access to kids ,the elderly vunerable etc without such checks-its all based on trust and as we have seen that trust has too often been abused. Just a random thought that pops into your head late on a Friday night Good point to raise, Shadow but highly controversial, sensitive, political etc etc etc....but..........!  |
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Post by Roma on Feb 12, 2011 0:31:08 GMT 1
I was thinking about this and its strange in a way that we insist that the likes of teachers or people working with the elderly etc are subject to CRB checks etc but we dont expect the likes of priests to need this as far as I am aware. Its one of the only positions I can think of where a person can have access to kids ,the elderly vunerable etc without such checks-its all based on trust and as we have seen that trust has too often been abused. Just a random thought that pops into your head late on a Friday night ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with you on that score Shadow. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 11:09:56 GMT 1
It's a tricky one this. when I read it I thought is a good topic for discussion as there's many aspects to it.
Does the CRB's ask the right questions, should we pay more attention to job references, as many people are fired for doing things which would disqualify them, but charges were never brought.
Are the CRB checks like the ASBO's a complete waste of time or are they vital for the protection of the vulnerable.
Maybe I've got an built in reluctance of agreeing with Cameron.
I must agree with CWL. There will be media pressure especially from the red tops to bring CRBs back and I think they will be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 12:32:47 GMT 1
A CRB check is done at many levels so is not a one stop shop solution. It depends much upon the role the person is going to perform as to the depth it goes. It is that aspect which a number of people find frustrating. Also any check is very much reliant upon the data held by the Police Force or region in which it is conducted as again to the best of my knowledge not all information was or possibly still is available nationally. That may well have changed after Soham. As one of the findings of the enquiry was the lack of knowledge transfer between Cambridgeshire and Humberside/Lincolnshire forces. The key thing about a CRB check is that if you are not listed for any reason then you are clear. Just because someone may be suspected of being a sex offender or some other threat to children or vulnerable people doesn't mean they will show up on that data base. It's usually only after an offence has been committed they are caught. Often following a lengthy investigation process. ASBO's are something entirely different. CWL  |
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Post by Shadow on Feb 12, 2011 16:11:27 GMT 1
I know that in the type of work I did and that Mr Shads still does a full CRB check is required.That includes any spent convictions and cautions.
When I was employed as a Deputy at a home for people with learning difficulties we had a young girl there worried sick about getting a new job as the house was due to be taken over by another service provider.During her employment she had received a conviction of aggravated assault during the Poll tax riots for knocking a policemans helmet off.She was actually a fantastic support worker-but that one stupid mistake may well have caused her problems in the future.
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) Kids are getting fat and lethargic because parents are too frightened to let them out to play!! I feel sorry for kids these days, I go on another forum, and this was one of the topics that came up. Well, you should have heard some of the mothers 
I'm convinced they live in a different bloody country to me!!! 
