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Post by BRS on Jun 15, 2014 21:34:38 GMT 1
:)G'Day
Hey! This TV Documentary about the above.
What's this all about?
A factual account of the reality that is taking place in GB - and certain sections of society are repudiating - or would tend not to accept?
Is it real - or a wind up to rile the indigenous people?
Or a Brit comedy?
Scary or what?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 22:40:18 GMT 1
There was a documentary series called "Benefit Street" which sounds similar, I have think there's a large amount of media set up. There's also Geordie shores, which gives the impression that all young women in the North East are drunken, foul mouth slappers.
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Post by Banshee on Jun 19, 2014 10:34:37 GMT 1
yes this type of programme always seems to focus on the worst example of people. They don't hoe a mix of people with different values. So giving the easily led, or lazy thinking people false information. I watched one about benefits this week. I felt embarrassed for the people shown. I was on benefits for a few years myself, and I don't recognise my self or any one else I knew in the same position. its shameful that these programmes are allowing the impression that the people they choose for the programme are representative of all benefit claimants, or representative of whatever community the programme is about. Its a shame that they miss the opportunity to tell the facts.
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Post by BRS on Jun 20, 2014 22:58:43 GMT 1
:)G'Day
So? - to ignore the facts - is to deny the truth?
Is that the accepted/contrived expectation - propagated by the official narrative?
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Post by Banshee on Jun 21, 2014 9:15:31 GMT 1
:)G'Day So? - to ignore the facts - is to deny the truth? Is that the accepted/contrived expectation - propagated by the official narrative? The "official narrative" seems to be supportive of the current government aim of convincing us that money saving needs to be made from the bottom up, when in fact we would save more money tacking fraud from the top down. Welfare benefit claimants & immigrants need to be derided to help the government convince us to turn against each other. They need to keep us divided. Yes of course their are illegal immigrants and welfare benefit claimants milking the system, but that is not representative of either group. When only one side is shown, then it is not the facts, is it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 9:57:40 GMT 1
Journalistically there are two ways to approach a documentary like this. Firstly there the sympathetic angle showing the hopelessness of people trapped in the poverty trap, no job, no prospects and no dignity. Or you can present it as these people are a bunch of lazy benefit scroungers, milking the country for all they can, so they can sit on their arses all day and let everyone else keep them.
They are being shown as the latter. Simply because this government has inculcated the public to this way of thinking, instead of blaming the banksters (thank you BRS for that word) The mentality of the public at this moment is, to want these people to be shown in the worst light possible, to get the best viewing figures possible.
Which goes back to my favourite old adage.............."Art for arts sake, money for f**ks sake"
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Post by BRS on Jun 22, 2014 23:29:38 GMT 1
:)G'Day So? - to ignore the facts - is to deny the truth? Is that the accepted/contrived expectation - propagated by the official narrative? The "official narrative" seems to be supportive of the current government aim of convincing us that money saving needs to be made from the bottom up, when in fact we would save more money tacking fraud from the top down. Welfare benefit claimants & immigrants need to be derided to help the government convince us to turn against each other. They need to keep us divided. Yes of course their are illegal immigrants and welfare benefit claimants milking the system, but that is not representative of either group. When only one side is shown, then it is not the facts, is it?Apparently it was screened and centered around the viewpoint of the "Illegal Immigrant". So it was "Factual" and irrefutably "Representative". HTH |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 10:37:24 GMT 1
It's not just "illegal immigrants" In programs such as this, the producers seek out the worst people the dregs of society, to attract the biggest audience.
The problem with that is when it's viewed in other counties, people may get the wrong impression, and think this is how we all live. Especially the Americans. who's gullibility is known world wide.
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Post by Banshee on Jun 28, 2014 18:16:46 GMT 1
The "official narrative" seems to be supportive of the current government aim of convincing us that money saving needs to be made from the bottom up, when in fact we would save more money tacking fraud from the top down. Welfare benefit claimants & immigrants need to be derided to help the government convince us to turn against each other. They need to keep us divided. Yes of course their are illegal immigrants and welfare benefit claimants milking the system, but that is not representative of either group. When only one side is shown, then it is not the facts, is it?Apparently it was screened and centered around the viewpoint of the "Illegal Immigrant". So it was "Factual" and irrefutably "Representative". HTH No it was only representative of those who were involved, and not representative of all . Like "8 out of 10 cat owners say their cats prefer whiskas." When the error in this statement was pointed out to the manufacturer, they had to change it to "8 out of 10 cat owners who were questioned." So therefore the persons involved in the programme may have been giving a factual account, but it was not a Representative account of all . |
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Post by BRS on Jul 4, 2014 23:23:39 GMT 1
Apparently it was screened and centered around the viewpoint of the "Illegal Immigrant". So it was "Factual" and irrefutably "Representative". HTH No it was only representative of those who were involved, and not representative of all . Like "8 out of 10 cat owners say their cats prefer whiskas." When the error in this statement was pointed out to the manufacturer, they had to change it to "8 out of 10 cat owners who were questioned." So therefore the persons involved in the programme may have been giving a factual account, but it was not a Representative account of all . Given that it is agreed the program gave a "Factual" account - it appears that there is a crisis of understanding of the consequences to the UK - regardless of whether it is "Representative" - whatever that means - or not. BTW did you actually view the screened program? |
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Post by Banshee on Jul 6, 2014 15:43:39 GMT 1
Yes a factual account of a sample of the whole. So therefore not representative of the majority. We would need to have the facts from all illegal immigrants in order to assess if there is a crisis or not. And by the very nature of being illegal it would be impossible to get the facts from all of them, wouldn't it?
And yes I did see the programme, along with watching benefits street, Life on the dole, EDL women, neighours from hell etc. I love all that crap. LOL :-)
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Post by BRS on Jul 6, 2014 23:30:22 GMT 1
Yes a factual account of a sample of the whole. So therefore not representative of the majority. We would need to have the facts from all illegal immigrants in order to assess if there is a crisis or not. And by the very nature of being illegal it would be impossible to get the facts from all of them, wouldn't it? And yes I did see the programme, along with watching benefits street, Life on the dole, EDL women, neighours from hell etc. I love all that crap. LOL :-) The thread is about a "Factual account" of an "Illegal Immigrant, and Proud". What's that got to do with the "Bull-Shit" above. Oh! silly, silly, it's an effort to establish credibility. LOL |
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Post by Banshee on Jul 12, 2014 15:36:51 GMT 1
Yes a factual account of a sample of the whole. So therefore not representative of the majority. We would need to have the facts from all illegal immigrants in order to assess if there is a crisis or not. And by the very nature of being illegal it would be impossible to get the facts from all of them, wouldn't it? And yes I did see the programme, along with watching benefits street, Life on the dole, EDL women, neighours from hell etc. I love all that crap. LOL :-) The thread is about a "Factual account" of an "Illegal Immigrant, and Proud". What's that got to do with the "Bull-Shit" above. Oh! silly, silly, it's an effort to establish credibility. LOL What is the matter with you? Cant you just have an intelligent enough debate with someone with an opposite opinion to your own? Do you think that calling another poster's views "Bullshit" does anything for YOUR credibility. |
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Post by BRS on Jul 13, 2014 0:14:27 GMT 1
The thread is about a "Factual account" of an "Illegal Immigrant, and Proud". What's that got to do with the "Bull-Shit" above. Oh! silly, silly, it's an effort to establish credibility. LOL What is the matter with you? Cant you just have an intelligent enough debate with someone with an opposite opinion to your own? Do you think that calling another poster's views "Bullshit" does anything for YOUR credibility. Nothing. Yes. Yes. HTH. |
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