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Post by nickkielcepoland on Sept 29, 2016 20:40:37 GMT 1
Now that Sam Allardyce has resigned in disgrace, who would you like to be his replacement? I hope it's Alan Pardew, what about youse?
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Post by skintagain on Sept 30, 2016 16:25:34 GMT 1
I think supporters of any National team besides England would want Alan Pardwho to be the next England manager.
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Oct 1, 2016 17:40:31 GMT 1
I think supporters of any National team besides England would want Alan Pardwho to be the next England manager. May I ask why you don't appear to rate Pardew. He took Newcastle to 5th, in one of his three full seasons in charge. In the last 10 seasons, Newcastle have finished in the top half of the Prem twice, both times under Pardew. He rescured Palace's season when he first arrived there, then got them to a cup final, and is now doing very well with them. No, I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't rate him. |
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Post by skintagain on Oct 2, 2016 6:41:24 GMT 1
He lost more games than he won while managing Newcastle, his tactics are limited and as for Palace they had some good players when he took over and did not need much in terms of rescuing them, of course you can look what he does for players if you give him time, they had a great season 2015-2016 remind me where did they finish, to me he is a below average manager who lacks the ability to inspire players, National teams need good managers to achieve anything Pardwho does not have the qualities it takes to be good.
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Oct 3, 2016 14:07:39 GMT 1
He lost more games than he won while managing Newcastle, his tactics are limited and as for Palace they had some good players when he took over and did not need much in terms of rescuing them, of course you can look what he does for players if you give him time, they had a great season 2015-2016 remind me where did they finish, to me he is a below average manager who lacks the ability to inspire players, National teams need good managers to achieve anything Pardwho does not have the qualities it takes to be good. The Toon fans who shouted "Pardew out" should accept that they shouldn't have shouted "Pardew out" - it is difficult to admit one's own mistakes, but people are quick to point out other people's mistakes, and now is the time for them to accept that they were mistaken in shouting "Pardew out". Ashley didn't sack Pardew, but Pardew had to listen to "Pardew out" calls, and in my opinion, it is time to acknowledge that such calls were to the detriment of Newcastle United Football Club. Pardew has by far and away the best league record of any Toon manager during the last decade. |
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Post by skintagain on Oct 4, 2016 2:53:20 GMT 1
nickk WAKE UP you are in dreamland again LOL, "Pardew has by far and away the best league record of any Toon manager during the last decade"
what about Glenn Roeder he had a much better record with the Toon than Pardwho and he won the Intertoto cup, and what about Chris Hughton he has the best record over the last decade and he also got us promoted back into the PL first time of asking,
so you were wrong to say "Pardew has by far and away the best league record of any Toon manager during the last decade".
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Oct 4, 2016 4:01:35 GMT 1
nickk WAKE UP you are in dreamland again LOL, "Pardew has by far and away the best league record of any Toon manager during the last decade" what about Glenn Roeder he had a much better record with the Toon than Pardwho and he won the Intertoto cup, and what about Chris Hughton he has the best record over the last decade and he also got us promoted back into the PL first time of asking, so you were wrong to say "Pardew has by far and away the best league record of any Toon manager during the last decade". Roeder was sacked in May 2007, after a mediocre season. In the first half of 2006, Roeder did excellently, although that isn't part of the last decade. Hughton certainly didn't have as good a record as Pardew in the Premier League. I'm in no doubt that many of the people who called for Pardew to resign now realise that it was to the detriment of the Toon, but can't bring themselves to admit it. They should at least refrain from criticising Ashley for his mistakes, when they made such a colossal mistake as shouting "Pardew out!" |
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Post by skintagain on Oct 4, 2016 10:59:04 GMT 1
nickk Glenn Roeder was not sacked he resigned after a bad run of results which was due to injuries, Sam hippo heed had the same problems when he took over too many injured players and blamed it on the training ground, even with the bad run of results Roeders win ratio was still far higher than Pardwhos and Roeder won more than he lost, as a decade is 10 years it still puts Roeder in the time frame, as for Hughton you did say league record not premier league but Hughtons brief spell in the premier league with Newcastle was better than any spell under Pardwho, we beat Villa 6-0 beat Arsenal 1-0 at the Emirates beat Sunderland 5-1, Hughtons win ratio was one Pardwho could only dream of.
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Oct 4, 2016 12:57:42 GMT 1
nickk Glenn Roeder was not sacked he resigned after a bad run of results which was due to injuries, Sam hippo heed had the same problems when he took over too many injured players and blamed it on the training ground, even with the bad run of results Roeders win ratio was still far higher than Pardwhos and Roeder won more than he lost, as a decade is 10 years it still puts Roeder in the time frame, as for Hughton you did say league record not premier league but Hughtons brief spell in the premier league with Newcastle was better than any spell under Pardwho, we beat Villa 6-0 beat Arsenal 1-0 at the Emirates beat Sunderland 5-1, Hughtons win ratio was one Pardwho could only dream of. I took it for granted that you would agree that a win in the Premier League is better than a win in the Championship, but perhaps I shouldn't have taken it for granted that you would agree about that. Yes, Glenn Roeder resigned, I stand corrected about that. The part of his tenure where he did well falls outside the last 10 years. The season where he was mediocre is his season inside the last 10 years. - The fact of the matter is that in the last 10 seasons, we've only finished in the top-half of the Premier League twice, and both times it was under Pardew. Given that Pardew was only in charge for one other full(!!!!) season, I'd say that seals it for Pardew, he is the best manager Newcastle have had in the last 10 years, and Toon fans who called for him to leave or be sacked, must know that their actions were to the detriment of Newcastle United Football Club. They should admit it, but it's understandable that it's difficult to admit. |
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Post by skintagain on Oct 4, 2016 14:34:30 GMT 1
nickk each win is important regardless of what league you are in, you say Pardwho was the best manager over the last 10 seasons so you must include any season outside the PL, i don't think you can include the current season so this list of 10 seasons must also include the season 2006-2007 the season Glenn Roeder was in charge, you do not include Chris Hughton because one of the seasons was in the Championship but is still one of the last 10 seasons therefore should be included, Hughton has the best ever win ratio of any Newcastle manager who has lasted for a full season or more, better than the great Joe Harvey, Kevin Keegan and Bobby Robson, so i would regard Hughton as the best manager Newcastle has had over the last 10 seasons followed by Glenn Roeder, you should also take into consideration that Roeder, Hughton and Pardwho are the only managers to have managed for a full season over the last 10.
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Oct 4, 2016 15:28:25 GMT 1
nickk each win is important regardless of what league you are in, you say Pardwho was the best manager over the last 10 seasons so you must include any season outside the PL, i don't think you can include the current season so this list of 10 seasons must also include the season 2006-2007 the season Glenn Roeder was in charge, you do not include Chris Hughton because one of the seasons was in the Championship but is still one of the last 10 seasons therefore should be included, Hughton has the best ever win ratio of any Newcastle manager who has lasted for a full season or more, better than the great Joe Harvey, Kevin Keegan and Bobby Robson, so i would regard Hughton as the best manager Newcastle has had over the last 10 seasons followed by Glenn Roeder, you should also take into consideration that Roeder, Hughton and Pardwho are the only managers to have managed for a full season over the last 10. I didn't say a win in the Premier League was more important than a win in the Championship. I said a win in the Premier Leage was better than a win in the Championship. We're talking about the best manager. - Yes, the 2006-07 season does count, but that was Roeder's mediocre season, it was the 2005-06 season where Roeder rescued the club mid-season and did brilliantly well. - As for Hughton's win ratio, I've already pointed out I didn't say that a PL win was more important than a Championship win - I said a PL win was better than a Championship win. I would be surprised, but no longer astonished, if you disagree about that last point. - Pardew took us to fifth place in 2011-12, and spent hardly any money. In fact, Carroll had gone for 35 mill the season before, so a remarkable achievement by Pardew. |
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Post by skintagain on Oct 4, 2016 17:37:28 GMT 1
nickk the season you call Roeders mediocre season we finished 13th got of the quarter finals of the league cup and won the Intertoto cup and that was with a squad full of youth players due to injuries, the season Pardwho finished 5th the club spent over 23 million and brought in players to name but a few Cisse, Ba, Cabaye and Obertan at the time Cisse was on top form so could you really put the achievement down to Pardwho who by the way had no say in the purchase of these players, anyway by the next season the players were Pardued and we finished 16th.
Considering what they had to work with i would consider Roeders achievement far more impressive than Pardwhos, as for a PL win more important than a championship one that is true only for a team in the PL, a PL win may be considered harder but then that depends who you are playing.
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Oct 4, 2016 17:44:03 GMT 1
nickk the season you call Roeders mediocre season we finished 13th got of the quarter finals of the league cup and won the Intertoto cup and that was with a squad full of youth players due to injuries, the season Pardwho finished 5th the club spent over 23 million and brought in players to name but a few Cisse, Ba, Cabaye and Obertan at the time Cisse was on top form so could you really put the achievement down to Pardwho who by the way had no say in the purchase of these players, anyway by the next season the players were Pardued and we finished 16th. Considering what they had to work with i would consider Roeders achievement far more impressive than Pardwhos, as for a PL win more important than a championship one that is true only for a team in the PL, a PL win may be considered harder but then that depends who you are playing. Pardew took us to a quarter-final in the league cup in 2014-15, while fans were demanding his departure. We were also 10th in the league at the time of his departure. You appear to be setting different standards for Roeder and Pardew. And as for the Intertoto Cup, that meant getting into the last 16 of the UEFA Cup - Pardew took us to the quarter-finals of the Europa League (the same competition) in his poor league season. You're just making me more and more certain of how very detrimental it was to NUFC for fans to shout "Pardew out!" They should just admit it, and move on, or at the very least, stop making out they know everything about football. |
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Post by skintagain on Oct 5, 2016 9:17:27 GMT 1
Nickk like i said look at what Roeder had to play with which was a team full of injured players and look what Pardwho had when we finished 5th, and what happened the next season when we finished 16th, same players but Pardued, who knows what league position Roeder could have finished in with the same players pardwho had, Hughton was not giving enough time in the PL, anyway you base you're belief that Pardwho was the best manager over the last 10 seasons because of a 5th place finish in the premier league with a full fit squad and some excellent quality players added, i disagree Hughton never got the chance to manage for a full PL season and the only other candidate was Roeder, both Hughton and Roeder had a better win ratio than Pardwho, why not go back a bit longer with a few managers who had full PL season lets say start with the 2001-2002 season why limit it to 10 with only one other person to compare with, also look at Pardwhos record against Sunderland no wonder fans wanted him out.
Anyway back on track, because good players seem to become bad players or cant be Rsed players under Pardwho and his lack of tactics i don't think he is the man for the England job.
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Post by nickkielcepoland on Oct 5, 2016 9:32:46 GMT 1
Nickk like i said look at what Roeder had to play with which was a team full of injured players and look what Pardwho had when we finished 5th, and what happened the next season when we finished 16th, same players but Pardued, who knows what league position Roeder could have finished in with the same players pardwho had, Hughton was not giving enough time in the PL, anyway you base you're belief that Pardwho was the best manager over the last 10 seasons because of a 5th place finish in the premier league with a full fit squad and some excellent quality players added, i disagree Hughton never got the chance to manage for a full PL season and the only other candidate was Roeder, both Hughton and Roeder had a better win ratio than Pardwho, why not go back a bit longer with a few managers who had full PL season lets say start with the 2001-2002 season why limit it to 10 with only one other person to compare with, also look at Pardwhos record against Sunderland no wonder fans wanted him out. Anyway back on track, because good players seem to become bad players or cant be Rsed players under Pardwho and his lack of tactics i don't think he is the man for the England job. First of all that 5th place was achieved with a team that had brought in much more transfer money than it had had spent on it since its time in the Championship two seasons previously. You talked about Roeder's 13th place and League Cup quarter-final, and I pointed out that in Pardew's final half-season, he achieved a New Year 10th place and a League Cup quarter-final. That half season is in addition to his two full seasons in the top half. You talked about Roeder's Intertoto Cup triumph, and I pointed out that Pardew went one better than Roeder, since he took Newcastle to the Europa League quarter-final, and Roeder's Intertoto Cup triumph was nothing more than a last-16 place in the then named UEFA Cup. So again, one better for Pardew. As I said, I think many of the Toon fans who shouted "Pardew out!" just can't bring themselves to admit that those calls were to the detriment of NUFC. I think England should appoint Pardew, since he's taken West Ham, Newcastle and Palace to top-5 positions in different domestic competitions. |
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