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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 11:33:32 GMT 1
Health secretary Andrew Lansley has said the ban on promoting cigarettes and tobacco in shops will help more addicts give up, and ensure “we no longer see smoking as a part of life”. He claimed the change was “about helping smokers who want to give up”, as displays are covered up and products hidden from public view in large shops and supermarkets. The change, which came into force yesterday, came as the Department of Health found evidence that seeing cigarettes in shops encouraged young people to start smoking. Lansley said: “The culture is about moving to a place where tobacco and smoking isn't part of normal life: people don't encounter it normally, they don't see it in their big supermarkets, they don't see people smoking in public places, they don't see tobacco vending machines. "We are going to continue to try to act against smoking for the simple reason that most smokers want to quit and it is the biggest avoidable cause of early mortality." Is he correct and will this approach work? CWL  |
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Post by Ann1 on Apr 7, 2012 12:07:10 GMT 1
TBH I think the whole lot of them are a bunch of hypocrites!! Why not just ban tobacco altogether? But no, they collect too much revenue off the tax!  Tescos' have had stupid "doors" covering the cigs for about 3 weeks now, the first week a door fell off, I reckon it was overuse! ;D But what IMO is even more ridiculous is that "corner" shops won't have to cover them until 2015!!
It's very rare I see teenagers on their own in Tescos, they are babies and toddlers with their parents, but not the age group this is aimed at! But I see plenty of teenagers in small/corner shops!! I don't think it's advertising and display that makes kids start smoking, I'd go more for peer pressure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 18:07:54 GMT 1
I read (sorry can remember where) if everyone stopped smoking tomorrow within 18 months the NHS would save as much as to cover the tax revenue on cigarettes, how true that is I don't know. There is a good reason why the government won't ban smoking, a valuable lesson was learned in America at the time of prohibition!
I'm absolutely sure that if tobacco was being introduced into Britain today, the government having knowledge of it's addictive qualities and health risks involved they would ban it immediately. Also if my father realised that smoking would have prematurely ended his life in such a horrific way, he wouldn't have smoked.
You are right Ann, you don't see many teenagers in supermarkets, maybe most of the girls are at home pregnant! That another thread.
I don't know if covering the tobacco products will decrease their sales or not, I hope so. Looking at the size of the print on the product list, it may increase sales of reading glasses.
Interesting thread this, I should imagine you can tell who smokes from peoples reply.
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Post by Shadow on Apr 7, 2012 19:02:37 GMT 1
Yes our Sainsburies and Asda have those ridiculous shutters as well-you feel you are buying something very secret and naughty now  Will it stop people smoking-I doubt it very much-its like pretending these things dont exist when everyone knows they do and if anything the notion of buying some thing so forbidden could have the absolute reverse affect.Cannabis is not widely advertised or openly sold but an awful lot of people smoke that and find a way-and tobacco isnt illegal so hiding it away just looks plain silly to me-my kids think its just hilarious that we adults are treated like such utter babies. |
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Post by Jazz on Apr 7, 2012 19:36:24 GMT 1
Yes, I tend to agree with all the above points. Even though I don't smoke I appreciate the great difficulty in trying to give it up. Continuing education in schools about the health/wealth risks it imposes on people seems the only way to go about it. All this business of pretending tobacco doesn't exist seems a bit silly to me but if it stops a few people it'll be worth it.
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Post by Shadow on Apr 7, 2012 21:23:25 GMT 1
So can we pretend beer doesnt exist either and stop all the alcohol related deaths and incidents associated with its consumption  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 21:36:55 GMT 1
Do any of your children smoke? CWL  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 22:11:45 GMT 1
So can we pretend beer doesnt exist either and stop all the alcohol related deaths and incidents associated with its consumption Alcohol in most cases aren't as addictive as tobacco products, no such thing as passive drinking. Supermarkets are extremely strict on under age drinking sale, although i do recognise there is a problem, but that's for another thread. |
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Post by Ann1 on Apr 7, 2012 23:13:48 GMT 1
Aye, and after smoking 10 fags, I don't go and throw up all over the place, start fights, stagger around, fall flat on my face, cause trouble in A & E, cause general mayhem, and end up spending the night in the cells!!
Both my kids smoke, I smoke my ex doesn't. Jazz's son smokes, his daughter doesn't and neither does he or his ex. My daughters' husband doesn't and neither do my 3 eldest grandchildren.
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Post by Shadow on Apr 8, 2012 0:21:04 GMT 1
None of my kids smoke-they are very anti smoking-but they are concerned about friends who are currently going through pregnancy scares,tests and abortions as a result of consuming excess amounts of alcohol and doing some rather stupid things whilst under the influence-I think we should hide it and pretend it doesnt exist until you get to 25-then of course its absolutely fine |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 11:11:47 GMT 1
So are the health risks greater or less for smokers than drinkers? Certainly less chance of ending up in hospital suffering with a terminal complaint from sitting next to someone with a drink, if you don't happen to do so yourself. Can the same be said for smoking? CWL |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 11:57:04 GMT 1
Aye, and after smoking 10 fags, I don't go and throw up all over the place, start fights, stagger around, fall flat on my face, cause trouble in A & E, cause general mayhem, and end up spending the night in the cells!!Both my kids smoke, I smoke my ex doesn't. Jazz's son smokes, his daughter doesn't and neither does he or his ex. My daughters' husband doesn't and neither do my 3 eldest grandchildren. Never started fights or any of he above!!! After 10 fags your hooked for life, and become far more likely to suffer from terminal and debilitating diseases.....but never mind enjoy your cigs.....enjoy or is it need? |
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Post by Jazz on Apr 8, 2012 12:48:51 GMT 1
I've never known a person have an occasional cigarette......but it's possible to be an occasional drinker.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 13:08:02 GMT 1
Good point Jazz, I know many people who claim to be occasional smokers  but there no such thing. Quote from Alexie Sayle "I always know when I've had too much to drink, I fall down, trow up and hit a Policeman"  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 19:42:13 GMT 1
Good point Jazz, I know many people who claim to be occasional smokers but there no such thing. Quote from Alexie Sayle "I always know when I've had too much to drink, I fall down, trow up and hit a Policeman" You should post this on Dealing with The Public thread.............. CWL  |
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Tescos' have had stupid "doors" covering the cigs for about 3 weeks now, the first week a door fell off, I reckon it was overuse! ;D But what IMO is even more ridiculous is that "corner" shops won't have to cover them until 2015!! 
Will it stop people smoking-I doubt it very much-its like pretending these things dont exist when everyone knows they do and if anything the notion of buying some thing so forbidden could have the absolute reverse affect.Cannabis is not widely advertised or openly sold but an awful lot of people smoke that and find a way-and tobacco isnt illegal so hiding it away just looks plain silly to me-my kids think its just hilarious that we adults are treated like such utter babies.
