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Post by Shadow on Apr 18, 2011 20:08:13 GMT 1
I think he got it abroad Grim-Malaga I'm almost sure it said. Mind the ones I was posting about earlier-they were definitly bought in this country-along with the catapults-Newcastle I believe  Some of the parents were giving them to the kids(lasers I mean)-and I mean little kids-5 years on-so no wonder the younger ones think it acceptable when people my age were encouraging it all and setting the example. I'd agree that its bloody ridiculous selling something that has the potential to bring down an aircraft on the high street. But I still wish that I didnt read that it was a lad of good character as the judge himself accepted that was the one made an example of-I get sick to death of seeing others consistently bucking the system and not giving a toss about their latest sentence. Some young people do get deterred by a warning-and its those for whom I feel jail is gonna be catastrophic for them and achieve nowt in terms of the person being rehabilitated-because the minute they were arrested and legal proceedings begun in all likelihood they would never have offended again anyway-its like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut-the fear is punishment enough-Ive seen people like that and they havent re-offended.I know of people who had no past of offending who were jailed as an example to others too-it doesnt seem to have stopped anyone doing doing what they were doing and the consequences were tragic  Had it been the case-both in Essex and up here that the first person to do this was jailed for a set term-and all others the same-then the precident would have been set-but to let dozens do this with a fine then suddenly move the goal posts for one person -its ridiculous-particularly if its not down to a change in Law but just on the judges whim. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 20:27:51 GMT 1
If the Judge has got this wrong as is being suggested by some if not all posters on this thread. Then I would have thought whoever was representing this young man in court would also be preparing an appeal.................to contest the ruling. CWL  |
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Post by grimreaper on Apr 18, 2011 20:55:13 GMT 1
I do see where you are coming from Shadow and I do feel for the lad. I think we can put it all down to a corrupt and broken system that will never change. One word is all we are looking for in this jumble and that is consistency. Being a staunch footy fan I suffer badly in both the everyday laws and in my favourite sport. ;D ;D Its a funny old world init.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 21:06:36 GMT 1
Grim, on the basis of your post I now suggest this young fellow drops any thought of an appeal or he may never see the outside of a prison cell. If as with FA rulings it is likely to be deemed frivilous............. so his sentence will be increased as a further warning to others! CWL |
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Post by Ann1 on Apr 18, 2011 23:43:15 GMT 1
Grim,you've got that right!!! That is exactly what the law should be, consistent, either they all get off or none do! It's the unfairness of it that gets me, just because the judge had a bad night or row with his wife, or his own prejudices, is no excuse for taking it out on those that come before him in court!! That is what I mean when I say too much "wriggle" room. The sentence for that particular crime, probably ranges from a slap on the wrist to prison. IMO that is too wide a range, it should be either a time in prison OR a fine OR community service OR something else, but it should be the same country wide for that crime. And that goes for all other crime as well.
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Post by grimreaper on Apr 18, 2011 23:47:00 GMT 1
Grim, on the basis of your post I now suggest this young fellow drops any thought of an appeal or he may never see the outside of a prison cell. If as with FA rulings it is likely to be deemed frivilous............. so his sentence will be increased as a further warning to others! CWL Nice one CWL... ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 8:32:53 GMT 1
Where's health and safety when you need them! Ban school sports days conker fight yet it's OK to sell something that could bring a plane down.   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 10:41:12 GMT 1
Has anyone ever been in an airport when a child tries to take a toy gun through? I have all hell broke loose! CWL  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 17:21:49 GMT 1
No, but I can imagine there would be.
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Post by grimreaper on Apr 19, 2011 18:46:26 GMT 1
Has anyone ever been in an airport when a child tries to take a toy gun through? I have all hell broke loose! CWL The thing that makes me laugh is that the ban water bottles so you walk through and purchase another from a sleezy profiterring newsagents that are owned by foriegners and they charge you double. Then they also ban all sharp objects incase you use them as weapons,but they give you plastic knives and forks with your meals.? I mean come on when I did my 007 training with the MI5 I was taught to kill with just a tooth pick. ;D Can you imagine what damage I could do with a plastic knife and fork..   |
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Post by Shadow on Apr 19, 2011 19:03:37 GMT 1
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Post by patsie on Apr 19, 2011 21:08:20 GMT 1
Grim - my son had a replica of a pirate pistol from the "Pirates of the Carribean" ride in Disneyworld in Florida. It was confiscated on entering the plane by a steward, then returned when he left. Had to laugh - imagine the damage he could have done before and after being on the plane if it had been real. Of course, this was way before the restrictions were in place, but anyone could tell it was a "toy".
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Post by Jazz on Apr 19, 2011 22:49:19 GMT 1
I remember years ago when one of the first terrorist incidents had occurred at some airport and they had a big clamp down on anything that could be "weapon like". This was an unusual occurrence at the time. I was travelling back from the Channel Islands and had a wicked fish filleting knife at the very bottom of my bag. Needless to say I was pulled to one side and after hauling all my ill packed and mostly dirty clothing etc, the knife was confiscated. What an embarrassment to have all that crumpled pile of laundry strewn about the place!  I did get the knife back later at Ncle. Airport.  |
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Post by Shadow on Apr 19, 2011 23:02:39 GMT 1
Years back my German granddad used to give my mother a frozen rabbit-he bred them for meat-to bring over to England after we had visited. Fairly innocent thing until I did my C&R training courtesy of staff who also trained officers in high security facilities.The most dangerous person in one of them-in terms of trying to control her behaviour -was a woman who killed her mother by battering her with a frozen chicken.I'm honestly not kidding here. Which is why I said anything can be a weapon  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 15:01:53 GMT 1
If anyone attacks you in the street with a frozen chicken run for the nearest KFC and ask to borrow a spare bucket.................. As for deadly weapons I guess it depends upon your job just what training you receive to deal with incidents................ Have to admit my own self defence training included such items as a rolled up newspaper, pens and pencils, cups or plates etc, plastic bottles, glass ash trays, umbrellas, belts, handbags and brief cases just for starters. In fact my instructor reckoned within reason just about anything could potentially be used as a weapon in one way or another. Scary........... CWL  |
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Some of the parents were giving them to the kids(lasers I mean)-and I mean little kids-5 years on-so no wonder the younger ones think it acceptable when people my age were encouraging it all and setting the example.
