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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 8:16:19 GMT 1
Keep the working class in there place..........the whole thing makes me vomit, just as thinking that I actually voted Lib/Dem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 9:57:46 GMT 1
MilkH what was your purpose in voting LIB/Dem? If it was to have them in a position to influence Government in this Country then surely you achieved your aim.................. The only real way that was ever going to happen was as it did through a coalition with another Party be it Labour or Tory. Are you now laying everything which is drastically at odds with our current Government and this Country in general at the door of the Lib/Dems? If so IMO you are mistaken. Take it you will not be voting for them in the local elections or possibly in favour of AV when it comes up in next months referendum or am I wrong? I listened to both Milliband and Clegg at the weekend. One is in complete denial over his Party's involvement in the mess we find ourselves in while the other is fighting his cause as strong as ever. I'll leave it to you to decide who I'm refering too in each case. CWL  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 11:49:20 GMT 1
The reason why I voted Lib/Dem last time was a felt a had no choice,
Brown was inept and couldn't find his own arse with both hands.
I don't trust (quite rightly as it turns out) Cameron.
So Lib/Dems seemed to be the best of a bad bunch (or politician as they're also called) there policies attracted me more the others.
Little did I know he would do a 'U' turn on all the policies I agreed with, just to keep his traitorous feet under the cabinet table.
As for AV v first past the post, can't see allot of difference. It's a welcome distraction for the two 'C's (read what you like into that) from the health service broken promises and 'U' turns.
Only people from the world of acting are fronting both the the 'yes' and 'no' campaigne. Does that mean the politician regard themselves that unpopular with the people? Well they've at least got that right.
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Post by Ann1 on Apr 18, 2011 12:21:47 GMT 1
Must agree with Milky here. I think what has got up everyones' noses, is that Clegg has renaged on the Lib Dem manifesto! I nearly voted for them for the same reason, they had policies I liked. The min they got a bit of power, all that disappeared like a will 'o the wisp!!  Even when they first formed a coalition, I thought ah well, at least they'll rein in the worst of the right wingers!! Huh, how wrong can you be!!! Cameron shouts "jump" and Clegg shouts "how high"!!! I think a lot of people feel let down by them, well, I know they do, from going on other forums!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 13:26:05 GMT 1
Milk are you saying you voted for an individual leader rather than a Political Party or specific local canididate hence you had no choice based upon that rationale? What about other candidates in your area outside of the major three parties putting themselves forward as MP's. No UKIP, BNP, Greens or even The Raving Loony mob to vote for?
As for each of the Party manifesto's they are at best statements of intent rather than cast iron assurances.
As I have no idea which Policies you agreed with and believe the Lib/Dems have done a U turn upon I'm unable to offer an opinion.
What I do challenge is the view it is only Actors who are fronting the yes and no campaigns although concede many politicians are not popular in the eys of the people. Nothing new there I believe.
I much prefer having Lib/Dems on the inside of Government to at least influence elements of change rather than on the outside incapable of doing anything.
CWL
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 13:54:19 GMT 1
Ann you may well be correct when it comes to Clegg however there are other Lib/Dems like Vince Cable who are not slow in also voicing their opinion about Government decisions and don't come across as dancing to Camerons tune all the time.
Ironically there were many policies or ideas from each of the Party manifesto's I liked................. Mores the pity because of political differences many of them that would actually benefit the people never happen.
Subsequently many voters would still be voicing their concerns or dissappointment on forums even if a single party had won the election. Would you feel any different about say the NHS, our Armed Forces or any of the areas affected by cut backs had the Tories not had to form a coalition or had Labour stayed in power with a slim majority?
For me change can only be brought about from within Government.................... The whole AV referendum would never have got off the ground otherwise. Yes the Lib/Dems have had to sacrifice other matters however this issue is a major step towards political reform in this country as we know it.
The choice regarding AV is actually quite simple..................
Keep the current voting system and continue with a large majority of the population being governed by those they didn't actually vote for or change it so they are represented by those they did vote for, albeit perhaps not as first choice.
The outcome of the forthcoming referendum will be interesting for many reasons. Not least of all for me in that IMO we may finally have an electoral system that gives us a Government which works on behalf of the majority of the entire vote and not a minority.
CWL
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 18:03:37 GMT 1
Milk are you saying you voted for an individual leader rather than a Political Party or specific local canididate hence you had no choice based upon that rationale? What about other candidates in your area outside of the major three parties putting themselves forward as MP's. No UKIP, BNP, Greens or even The Raving Loony mob to vote for? As for each of the Party manifesto's they are at best statements of intent rather than cast iron assurances. As I have no idea which Policies you agreed with and believe the Lib/Dems have done a U turn upon I'm unable to offer an opinion. What I do challenge is the view it is only Actors who are fronting the yes and no campaigns although concede many politicians are not popular in the eys of the people. Nothing new there I believe. I much prefer having Lib/Dems on the inside of Government to at least influence elements of change rather than on the outside incapable of doing anything. CWL No I didn't vote for the party leader but I expected Nick Clegg to carry out those policies "As much as possible" in a coalition. I'm disappointed he hasn't give Cameron a harder time, and hold him personally responsible for selling us all down the river. He sits at the heart of government inept and impotent. I'm not sure it wouldn't be better to have the Lib/Dem out of government, would they not be better and more effective joining forces with Labour to make it a minority government rather than a coalition? If I here the 'one primary school every 20 minute' speech again I swear my head will explode. |
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Post by Banshee on Apr 24, 2011 13:39:46 GMT 1
I think people feel let down by the Lib Dems and blame them because we expected more from them. The Tories are doing what we expected and true to form, but I always thought that the Lib Dems were more veering towards left than right. I thought them being part of a coalition would mean the right had to take on some more left views. Surely they could have made a condition at the beginning when the Tories really needed them, that PR was at least a 'given.' They were in a unique position of being ale to call some shots, but they f * * * ed it up. Thats the let down!
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Post by Ann1 on Apr 24, 2011 17:10:14 GMT 1
That's it exactly bansh, I thought as well that the LD's would rein in the Tory right wingers, but sadly not!! A "proper" coalition would be the best from ALL (well apart from the BNP that is) parties, not just the tories and their yes men!! Mind, it is a change to hear Clegg disagree with Cameron about internship 
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 18:14:44 GMT 1
I think people feel let down by the Lib Dems and blame them because we expected more from them. The Tories are doing what we expected and true to form, but I always thought that the Lib Dems were more veering towards left than right. I thought them being part of a coalition would mean the right had to take on some more left views. Surely they could have made a condition at the beginning when the Tories really needed them, that PR was at least a 'given.' They were in a unique position of being ale to call some shots, but they f * * * ed it up. Thats the let down! Nothing about this post that I can argue with  |
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Post by Shadow on Apr 25, 2011 9:49:47 GMT 1
Im wondering if Cleggs starting to speak out now as voting day looms  But it does come over as a little late in the day  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2011 10:18:03 GMT 1
Take far more than that.
RIP Clegg and the lib/dems.
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Post by Shadow on Apr 25, 2011 10:37:53 GMT 1
It was interesting listening to the kids talking about this yesterday.Altho they are still too young to vote it was clear how they were feeling.The two eldest-my daughter and nephew had been hoping to go to Uni and we had hoped they would achieve that-but this may all be in jeopardy now. Certainly my nephews parents are advising him that if he needs a degree for the job he wants to go for-then yes go ahead-otherwise look for an apprenticeship or job that includes college courses-but then again theres gonna be alot of demand there I think :(My daughter is worried sick about it all. She has alot of contact with her aunt,who is currently a third year student and has taken part in the student protests,and there is a hell of alot of ill feeling amongst young people towards Nick Clegg who promised much in the run up to the elections regarding fees then delivered absolutely nothing as far as they are concerned.Theres a real sense of betrayal-especially towards him personally |
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Even when they first formed a coalition, I thought ah well, at least they'll rein in the worst of the right wingers!! Huh, how wrong can you be!!! Cameron shouts "jump" and Clegg shouts "how high"!!! I think a lot of people feel let down by them, well, I know they do, from going on other forums!!! 
