Anything but Muslims.

[corrina]

Pretty self explanatory. Please do not mention the M-word! 

I'll start us off with a topic - Public sector strikes!

Are you behind the strikers or not?

[Deleted]

Yes, I think we are all had our fill of the "M word"

I am always in favour of legal industrial action, if it worthwhile. Unfortunately I don't feel this action was an exercise in futility, and from what I can see had little or no impact.

TUSC although they have a legitimate platform, there is a problem. Parties of either too much to the right or left or always unelectable.

Tony Blair's "New Labour" may have been accused of selling out, but it was the only way Labour could be elected.
Yet his involvement Iraq war was unforgivable.

I feel TUSC will do more harm the good to labour, and totally unelectable. I gain no satisfaction saying this, but the main objective is to defeat the Tories at the next election.

[stantheman]

revenue is largely raised by taxation of those in the private sector, both from buisness and individual employees.

this pays for welfare, healthcare, benefits, etc and public sector salaries. 

there's only so much money to go around.

the last labour government over spent in certain areas leaving britain in huge debt.

it gained votes of those it overspent on but the country as a whole was in a mess.

the tories, and i am not one, have the unenviable job of getting the country back on it's feet.

austerity measures being the method chosen.

me, i'd stop paying 12 billion a year in aid before i cut pay and services here.

and some benefits and services.

but that approach is, for some reason, not one any of the 'big 3' parties will do.

so public sector pay has been effectively cut. 

and as the majority in the public sector probably vote labour, they have theirselves to blame for bearing the brunt of the austerity measures in place to get the country out of the mess their party has created.

so in a word 'no'. 

[corrina]

My question was not about TUSC - It was about the public sector strikes.

[corrina]

Jul 11, 2014 14:38:33 GMT 1 stantheman said:

revenue is largely raised by taxation of those in the private sector, both from buisness and individual employees.

this pays for welfare, healthcare, benefits, etc and public sector salaries. 

there's only so much money to go around.

the last labour government over spent in certain areas leaving britain in huge debt.

it gained votes of those it overspent on but the country as a whole was in a mess.

the tories, and i am not one, have the unenviable job of getting the country back on it's feet.

austerity measures being the method chosen.

me, i'd stop paying 12 billion a year in aid before i cut pay and services here.

and some benefits and services.

but that approach is, for some reason, not one any of the 'big 3' parties will do.

so public sector pay has been effectively cut. 

and as the majority in the public sector probably vote labour, they have theirselves to blame for bearing the brunt of the austerity measures in place to get the country out of the mess their party has created.

so in a word 'no'. 

How can you say there isn't the money to go around when the Mp's gave themselves an 11% pay rise!?

[corrina]

And they manage to find money to fund "The Work Programme" - A system designed by IDS to "help" the unemployed into employment. Private sector companies are given multi-million pound contacts with the government. Ingeus training operates in our region. It has a 3% success rate yet the advisers are paid £30,000 a year.
This government has borrowed more than Labour did in 13 years. The deficit may have fell but the actual debt is rising everyday. I'm sorry but people who care for the terminally ill and save children from fires deserve an 11% rise before any career politician.

[stantheman]

650 mp's getting 11%, as opposed to several million public sector workers.

i work in the private sector.

i get no private pension contributions paid for me.

if i'm off i don't get paid.

my job isn't guaranteed for life.

all benefits these people enjoy.

if they aren't happy then leave.

[corrina]

Ah the typical "try working in the private sector" response.
That mentality creates division thus that mentality is a cancer on the working class. There was plenty of private sector workers out yesterday who could grasp the idea that one day they may need rescued from a house fire or cared for in old age. They understood those services are vital. Look at the state of care homes since they've been chucked into the private sector - All about profit and nothing about compassion.

When will you learn that the working class are in this together? Private or public, it is about time we ALL fought for a decent wage! I was marching yesterday, I will also be outside a Job Centre next week protesting against sanction targets. I supported a private sector strike last week. A company called Tyneside Safety Glass. They've just got a rise!

Stan, public sector workers do an incredible job. My dad works up to 60 hour weeks caring for the terminally ill in hospital yet our family can barely afford to get by! It's about time we stopped slamming these people. There's nothing wrong with what they're doing. And for those saying it will ruin the recovery! - What bloody recovery! Oh the recovery which has made the rich richer and the poor poorer!

[stantheman]

so we just give everyone a massive pay rise.

can you suggest where the money will come from.

stop foreign aid perhaps. i'm all for that. let bongo bongo land fend for itself.

[Deleted]

Jul 11, 2014 14:38:33 GMT 1 stantheman said:

revenue is largely raised by taxation of those in the private sector, both from buisness and individual employees.

this pays for welfare, healthcare, benefits, etc and public sector salaries. 

there's only so much money to go around.

the last labour government over spent in certain areas leaving britain in huge debt.

it gained votes of those it overspent on but the country as a whole was in a mess.

the tories, and i am not one, have the unenviable job of getting the country back on it's feet.

austerity measures being the method chosen.

me, i'd stop paying 12 billion a year in aid before i cut pay and services here.

and some benefits and services.

but that approach is, for some reason, not one any of the 'big 3' parties will do.

so public sector pay has been effectively cut. 

and as the majority in the public sector probably vote labour, they have theirselves to blame for bearing the brunt of the austerity measures in place to get the country out of the mess their party has created.

so in a word 'no'. 

Can't you read??? If you can't post anything other anti Muslim crap, I suggest you don't post anything. You're not impressing anyone, and making a fool out of yourself...........................no change there then.

[Deleted]

Jul 11, 2014 14:38:33 GMT 1 stantheman said:

revenue is largely raised by taxation of those in the private sector, both from buisness and individual employees.

this pays for welfare, healthcare, benefits, etc and public sector salaries. 

there's only so much money to go around.

the last labour government over spent in certain areas leaving britain in huge debt.

it gained votes of those it overspent on but the country as a whole was in a mess.

the tories, and i am not one, have the unenviable job of getting the country back on it's feet.

austerity measures being the method chosen.

me, i'd stop paying 12 billion a year in aid before i cut pay and services here.

and some benefits and services.

but that approach is, for some reason, not one any of the 'big 3' parties will do.

so public sector pay has been effectively cut. 

and as the majority in the public sector probably vote labour, they have theirselves to blame for bearing the brunt of the austerity measures in place to get the country out of the mess their party has created.

so in a word 'no'. 

"The majority of public sector probably vote Labour, they have themselves (theirselves - sic) to blame".

Where did you source this data? Or is it yet another product of a warped, perverse mind???

[Banshee]

There is enough money to go around o that nobody needs food banks in this country. its just being spent on the wrong things. We don't need to make bombs or guns or go to war with anyone. The NHS is top heavy with managers and not enough frontline workers. Most wards have 1 qualified nurse and 2 healthcare assistants most of the time, but you cant move for others not directly involved in care.
1) Discharge co-ordinaters (They are qualified nurses who just check on what date people are being discharged. They dont do any nursing and are paid a ward sisters wage.)
2) Bed managers (who count the number of names on the patient board and input it onto a system. They are qualified nurses who also dont do any nursing, and are paid a ward sisters wage.)
3) Ward managers ( qualified ward sisters or charge nurses, who spend the shift on the computer, and don't have time for actual nursing)

That's not to mention all the other managers not based on a ward, operation service managers, department managers, trust managers. Just one of their wages would pay for 2 ward sisters, or 3 qualified nurses, or 4 health care workers. Then there is the data collectors and their managers- just there to make sure that the government targets are met for how long people sty in hospital. Putting pressure on medical staff to discharge people before they are fully ready. Some of those patients have to be re-admitted within a day. Then th counting starts all over again. But hey, as long as all the numbers add up.

The government uses propaganda to make us believe that there isn't enough money. There is enough.

And Stans comment about its ok to give 11% to a few MP's compared with 1% to ordinary workers because there is less of them so its less money. That is why we are talking in percentages. 11% of an MP's wage is a lot.

[stantheman]

too many quango's in the public sector.

millions spent out of the nhs budget on translators.

again to repeat, 12 billion on overseas aid.

child benefit for large families.

oh and to pay for it all, the money comes out of thin air i suppose.

[Banshee]

Stan- it must be hard to see the rainbow in glasses as dark as yours.

I feel sorry for you.

[Deleted]

Jul 12, 2014 18:17:24 GMT 1 stantheman said:

too many quango's in the public sector.

millions spent out of the nhs budget on translators.

again to repeat, 12 billion on overseas aid
child benefit for large families.

oh and to pay for it all, the money comes out of thin air i suppose.

£12 billion??? where do you get that figure???
Actually it's 12.6 billion according to the BNP. That reliable source of unbiased data.
How stupid do you thing we are? This figure can only an estimate as it for 2014. It can only be an estimate as we are only half way though it
Not that anyone in their right mind, would take any notice of such people.