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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 13:44:54 GMT 1
It's a given that The Toon are in trouble so once again I'm trying to guage some views of The Mags on here.... Despite what anyone thinks of the manager it's what happens on the pitch that counts. On that basis and to avoid going round in circles what would you change or say should be done to get the Team out of it's current position. Players, formations, tactics, transfers in or out are all up for debate..... Also if you must include getting rid of Pardue at least put forward another manager as his replacement, always assuming they are available or that Mikey would have them of course! Looking forward to reading your views... WL  |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Dec 12, 2012 13:59:09 GMT 1
I totally understand your stance on Pardew but what happens on the pitch is entirely in his hands. The players are not performing thats true but all that does (in my opinion) is show that APs man management skills, his ability to lift who he plays, the tacticts he employs are all called into question. He was soaking up the accolades last season but the chips are well and truly down so he has to carry the can. You may say that the injuries have not helped that is true to a point but the injured players were not playing at the same level as they played at last year before they picked up their injuries. Another point to raise is the lack of creativity when Cabaye is not playing. You could maybe level that at Ashleys door but their is a dire need for cover in that department as their is for defensive cover as well. Then we arrive at the Ba situation and the constant drip, drip, about his buy out clause that should have been put to bed months ago as it is becoming a farce.  ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 15:26:15 GMT 1
Its all Pardews fault.....ffs!
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Post by Pollypeterborough on Dec 12, 2012 16:59:23 GMT 1
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Post by Captain Marvel on Dec 12, 2012 17:10:40 GMT 1
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Post by Captain Marvel on Dec 12, 2012 17:12:04 GMT 1
I agree Polly but dont blame Pardew!! ;D ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 17:50:02 GMT 1
Capt'n you highlight many of the issues yet offer up little about how to resolve the situation..... Come on you are better than that. Yes APee did take the plaudits last season as did many of the players. Regardless of that something has changed or is the truth of it last season they amazed even themselves by how they played and what they achieved. Whereas this season we are witnessing the real ability of this team and the result is what many feared would happen a year ago, fighting a relegation battle. Should APee have poor man management skills then what advice would you give him. As Polly says is it a matter of laying it on the table and bashing heads to get a response. I'm not sure that approach will get our manager anywhere to be honest if as perhaps is being suggested he has lost the dressing room. We all know managers ultimately carry the can for failure, but let's face it players can and do get managers sacked. I'm also not convinced by the point what happens on the pitch is entirely in a managers hands. Pretty sure Arsene Wenger felt bloody useless last night watching his side stutter to another embarrassing defeat. Once they cross that whiteline not much any manager can do in real terms IMO. Even substitutions are often a last ditch attempt to make something happen when all else fails or just to kill time or the game off. Great if you are winning but very much in the lap of the football gods when a team is behind. If the Ba situation is as bad as it appears do Newcastle just get rid for as much money as possible and replace him with someone else? I know that if I had someone in my team causing trouble or not pulling their weight, even if they were one of the better employees, they would be replaced pretty damn quick. Yes it may leave the team weaker for a while, no sentiment involved just being professional as no one is indispensable. The same goes for one or two that are clearly struggling or look as if they are playing to be away. Does Jonas get left out and give either Marveaux, Bigirimana or perhaps Amalfitano a run of games. The same could said for Mr T.... I would also be tempted to play Ba up front on his own and have a five man midfield. If he struggles then replace him with Cisse. Grinding out a couple of one nils would be much better than what is currently on offer. At the back I would take out Danny Simpson and move Santon across to right back then bring in Fergie on the left. The Central pairing is a nightmare at the moment with neither Colo or Williamson looking comfortable. All of the old concerns about our defence are coming back to haunt the side. When they go a goal down as a supporter you almost immediately say game over. The ability to scrap and fight for any points appears beyond most if not all of them. The heart and spirit appears to have gone out of the side. That feeling is certainly being reflected in the support as the team struggles. Mikey needs to get his finger out before the transfer window opens in January and either back or sack his manager. After all doing nothing is not an option. Eat some humble pie and go and get the targets that were identified in the Summer, but never arrived. Should no one of note arrive and one or two leave unexpectedly then I see nothing but further struggles and a return to the "you FCB get out of our Club" call from the terraces. It's all about collective success and collective failure, no I in Team. Feel free to comment on any of the above...... WL |
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Post by wateroftyne on Dec 12, 2012 18:16:07 GMT 1
The weakness in the team, seems to me, is the wingers which we have none.
Any decent team needs decent crosses from the corner flag area.
Put Jonas back on the wing, at least he could draw two or three opponents and cause some panic.
Even play Obertan, away from home, otherwise the bully boys on the terraces terrorise him.
Or put Ferguson on.
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Post by Captain Marvel on Dec 12, 2012 21:33:52 GMT 1
Capt'n you highlight many of the issues yet offer up little about how to resolve the situation..... Come on you are better than that. Yes APee did take the plaudits last season as did many of the players. Regardless of that something has changed or is the truth of it last season they amazed even themselves by how they played and what they achieved. Whereas this season we are witnessing the real ability of this team and the result is what many feared would happen a year ago, fighting a relegation battle. Should APee have poor man management skills then what advice would you give him. As Polly says is it a matter of laying it on the table and bashing heads to get a response. I'm not sure that approach will get our manager anywhere to be honest if as perhaps is being suggested he has lost the dressing room. We all know managers ultimately carry the can for failure, but let's face it players can and do get managers sacked. I'm also not convinced by the point what happens on the pitch is entirely in a managers hands. Pretty sure Arsene Wenger felt bloody useless last night watching his side stutter to another embarrassing defeat. Once they cross that whiteline not much any manager can do in real terms IMO. Even substitutions are often a last ditch attempt to make something happen when all else fails or just to kill time or the game off. Great if you are winning but very much in the lap of the football gods when a team is behind. If the Ba situation is as bad as it appears do Newcastle just get rid for as much money as possible and replace him with someone else? I know that if I had someone in my team causing trouble or not pulling their weight, even if they were one of the better employees, they would be replaced pretty damn quick. Yes it may leave the team weaker for a while, no sentiment involved just being professional as no one is indispensable. The same goes for one or two that are clearly struggling or look as if they are playing to be away. Does Jonas get left out and give either Marveaux, Bigirimana or perhaps Amalfitano a run of games. The same could said for Mr T.... I would also be tempted to play Ba up front on his own and have a five man midfield. If he struggles then replace him with Cisse. Grinding out a couple of one nils would be much better than what is currently on offer. At the back I would take out Danny Simpson and move Santon across to right back then bring in Fergie on the left. The Central pairing is a nightmare at the moment with neither Colo or Williamson looking comfortable. All of the old concerns about our defence are coming back to haunt the side. When they go a goal down as a supporter you almost immediately say game over. The ability to scrap and fight for any points appears beyond most if not all of them. The heart and spirit appears to have gone out of the side. That feeling is certainly being reflected in the support as the team struggles. Mikey needs to get his finger out before the transfer window opens in January and either back or sack his manager. After all doing nothing is not an option. Eat some humble pie and go and get the targets that were identified in the Summer, but never arrived. Should no one of note arrive and one or two leave unexpectedly then I see nothing but further struggles and a return to the "you FCB get out of our Club" call from the terraces. It's all about collective success and collective failure, no I in Team. Feel free to comment on any of the above...... WL This might suprise you CWL but I agree with most, if not all you say. The only thing I might have an issue with is their abilities, last season on occasion they played with both flair and passion if they can do it more than once (which they did) they have the ability to do it again. The question is what has changed? Is it to do with money?(Wages) or can it be put down to lack of ambition shown by Ashley? As far as Pardews concerned he is now a major problem, not just for the fact that he is ultimately responsible for team selection, discipline, tacticts, systems, morale and anything else that goes with the job. He could also be a problem for Mikey if he cannot halt the current slide down the table. I know it may wind some people when I go on and on about Pardew but it is critical he gets a grip just like anyone who is in a reponsible managerial position when things are getting out of hand. AP is supposed to be good at defensive systems at the moment the system is not working anywhere near efficiently enough. As Polly suggested heads may need examining or knocking together. The team ethic is paramount to success he may be in panic mode? Has he the balls? He has to(must) get that side of it right as soon as possible. If he has lost the dressing room he has to regain it he cannot allow it to denegrate that is part of his job, his responsibility. Morale must be maintained at all cost if he fails in that or Ashley fails in that we are in deep sh@t. I am afraid the guy in charge must control what goes on and off the pitch, no-one is suggesting you can or must win every game. Who is selected and what system is played is down to one man..The manager, like it or not he is the one who is paid to get results. Ba should be told in no uncertain terms what is expected of him, either drop the buy out clause or he is going to be sold, no more dallying, enough is enough. I agree with both of your suggestions regarding defence and attack its a pity it has not come from Alan Pardew. One thing I must add, its about football managers in general, the number of good ones are very, very, small in number, even they are not truthful. Dive!! Dive!! My player dive! No I did not see it I was looking the other way!! ;D ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 21:41:46 GMT 1
It pleases this old heart to see you two getting along and agreeing in principle.....to that end I have rented a room on the Quayside for you both for the next game........I hope you guys will take up my kind offer made from the heart of my bottom. Its all Padews fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 22:00:53 GMT 1
I am being told by a close colleague that my humour is offensive(he's American)......I told him its only offensive if I get to watch.........  |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Dec 12, 2012 22:06:41 GMT 1
It pleases this old heart to see you two getting along and agreeing in principle.....to that end I have rented a room on the Quayside for you both for the next game........I hope you guys will take up my kind offer made from the heart of my bottom. Its all Padews fault.   ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 22:09:21 GMT 1
Capt'n you have probably for me hit the nail on the head...........namely One thing I must add, its about football managers in general, the number of good ones are very, very, small in number! And isn't that just the truth........... It's probably why I wouldn't change what's in place at the moment, as APee has proven he can get the best out of these players once so why not again. Just not convinced changing the manager will do the trick. Although with Mikey running the show it means bugger all even if I was among 52,000 that did want rid. W of T raises a good point about the wide men in the side and how poor our crosses are into the goal area. Mind you I don't just lay that at the door of the wingers as the fullbacks are just as poor if not worse. N'Dubz (Simpson) in particular regularly fails to beat the first man in front of him. Hells teeth there's an eight year old kid in my junior team that can cross a ball better. Other dead ball situations including corners are not much better and boy do we miss Ryan Taylor OTW which is something I never would have believed I would ever say. One thing I would demand is that the side get back to a passing and moving approach to the game. If they continue to just lump it forward I will scream blue murder at some point soon. Mind you some of our players look incapable of stringing two passes together at times and IMO you can't chuck that one at the manager. They are professionals and are paid on the basis of having some kind of skill with a football in the first place. Mind you watching Tiote I do wonder as he is just a liability at the moment when it comes to possession. Thankfully there's two teams to watch in a game, even if it's annoying to admit it's the opposition playing the better football. WL |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Dec 12, 2012 22:21:13 GMT 1
Capt'n you have probably for me hit the nail on the head...........namely One thing I must add, its about football managers in general, the number of good ones are very, very, small in number! And isn't that just the truth........... It's probably why I wouldn't change what's in place at the moment, as APee has proven he can get the best out of these players once so why not again. Just not convinced changing the manager will do the trick. Although with Mikey running the show it means bugger all even if I was among 52,000 that did want rid. Wof T raises a good point about the wide men in the side and how poor our crosses are into the goal area. Mind you I don't just lay that at the door of the wingers as the fullbacks are just as poor if not worse. N'Dubz (Simpson) in particular regularly fails to beat the first man in front of him. Hells teeth there's an eight year old kid in my junior team that can cross a ball better. Other dead ball situations including corners are not much better and boy do we miss Ryan Taylor OTW which is something I never would have believed I would ever say. One thing I would demand is that the side get back to a passing and moving approach to the game. If they continue to just lump it forward I will scream blue murder at some point soon. Mind you some of our players look incapable of stringing two passes together at times and IMO you can't chuck that one at the manager. They are professionals and are paid on the basis of having some kind of skill with a football in the first place. Mind you watching Tiote I do wonder as he is just a liability at the moment when it comes to possession. Thankfully there's two teams to watch in a game, even if it's annoying to admit it's the opposition playing the better football. WL That is sad to read about our team, but there is no reason why that is. (Practice makes perfect). ATB) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 22:25:10 GMT 1
I am being told by a close colleague that my humour is offensive(he's American)......I told him its only offensive if I get to watch......... Another admission there Canny.....umm! Whips, bottoms and now watching, I see a trend forming..... Perhaps these are an indication of your true personality behind the Canny mask. Typical no Broon, Leazes or Fairsy when I need a second opinion.... WL |
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