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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 22:47:28 GMT 1
Reading through most comments I can see you'll all think the same, which is part of the problem. So you all are happy as long as Ashley keeps doing what he is and we do well on the pitch? Well... Ashley is not a financial saviour...! He is doing what he can to save money and eek out profit...(I'm not finished)... FOR HIMSELF!!  Nothing he is doing for NUFC! Canny, you cannot say KK is your Hero and say you can tolerate Ashley! That's double standards! KK hates the guy...read KK's columns! You can't be on both sides...I'm on KK's... CaptM, your views are well balanced and as usual you hit the nail on the head with minimal fuss, a quality I truly admire. You ae a top poster  Keep it up. Supermac, again nicely balanced comments but you threw it all away with that last line. Ann, I realise we can't get the old times back but it seems to me that short term success has made our 'success hungry' fellow toon brothers forget who we are and what we stand for. Our principles and ethos are being lost  PS: Just thinking, it's funny I'm the most 'old skool' when I'm the youngest! It should be the other way around on this forum .. food for thought.... What are we ...forum judge and jury now?.......... Magpie ......when you run around in ever decreasing circles (no pun intended)....what happens? |
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Post by Captain Marvel on Aug 24, 2012 23:15:58 GMT 1
Football eventually will have to succumb to the reality that you cannot spend money recklessly just like our neighbours have done. Fletcher is not worth £14 million pounds in fact I doubt whether he is worth £4 mil. Likewise Jarvis, both Wolves players who have been sold way above their true worth this cannot go on sooner or later another Portsmouth will appear brought on by throwing money away on average players or players past their sell by date just like Owen. Is Van Persie worth £200,000 per week? These are difficult times for a lot of people, football can only survive if it can control expenditure it has to live within its means otherwise there may be trouble ahead. Lessons have been learned at NUFC live within your means or you may pay the ultimate price. ATB |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 23:17:50 GMT 1
Magpie for the benefit of everyone can you clarify a few things.... What exactly are these principles and ethos you believe are being lost? Also what do you mean by 'old skool'? I've always thought all the Mags on here have no love for our most benevolent owner and accept he is a necessary evil, just like many others before him. I also know plenty of supporters that didn't want King Kev back the second time. Yet hero worship the guy for what he did first time around as manager and before that as a player. I guess in your book that possibly means they are also on the wrong side. Which kind of begs the next question.... why does it have to be a matter of taking sides when most of the time discussion is about opinion? After all we do support the same Club. You may well have a huge dislike (understatement) for the current owner of NUFC yet without Ashley and his money the Club wouldn't still have Carver, Carr, Pardew or had during the last four years or so Keegan, Hughton or any of the former players you mentioned never mind the current crop. Don't tell me you have forgotten whether any of us like it or not Mikey is first and foremost a business man and his principal reason for being involved with NUFC is financial. He bankrolls the Club so makes the decisions. Okay so some of those decisions such as renaming the ground will get peoples backs up, however even that hasn't changed anything in real terms as far as much of the support goes. Lastly, we all want the Club and side to be successful be it short term or otherwise. What exactly is wrong in wanting that or do you really think forty odd years is not long enough before a trophy or title is won again? CWL  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 12:12:17 GMT 1
Shiiiite...........methinks Custers out of bullets, and about to get his scalp lifted...... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 13:37:26 GMT 1
The answer to the question......When you run around in ever decreasing circles what happens?............you disappear up your arse.........Sure is dark in there Magpie.
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Post by magpie99 on Aug 25, 2012 22:42:20 GMT 1
Magpie for the benefit of everyone can you clarify a few things.... What exactly are these principles and ethos you believe are being lost? Also what do you mean by 'old skool'? I've always thought all the Mags on here have no love for our most benevolent owner and accept he is a necessary evil, just like many others before him. I also know plenty of supporters that didn't want King Kev back the second time. Yet hero worship the guy for what he did first time around as manager and before that as a player. I guess in your book that possibly means they are also on the wrong side. Which kind of begs the next question.... why does it have to be a matter of taking sides when most of the time discussion is about opinion? After all we do support the same Club. You may well have a huge dislike (understatement) for the current owner of NUFC yet without Ashley and his money the Club wouldn't still have Carver, Carr, Pardew or had during the last four years or so Keegan, Hughton or any of the former players you mentioned never mind the current crop. Don't tell me you have forgotten whether any of us like it or not Mikey is first and foremost a business man and his principal reason for being involved with NUFC is financial. He bankrolls the Club so makes the decisions. Okay so some of those decisions such as renaming the ground will get peoples backs up, however even that hasn't changed anything in real terms as far as much of the support goes. Lastly, we all want the Club and side to be successful be it short term or otherwise. What exactly is wrong in wanting that or do you really think forty odd years is not long enough before a trophy or title is won again? CWL Well part of having an strong opinion is being able think straight and in black and white. Thats the difference between you and me. I can take sides because my opinion rarely changes and is built on solid ethos and principles. Yours isn't....Hence you even ask me what are those ethos and principles!  NUFC were the entertainers. Under Ashley we are not anymore. We are just a measly club trying to save our money and had it not been for excellent scouting we would not be here at all. CWL you're turning into an Ashley fan. The man is not a "good" businessman. He is just a "shrewd" one. That's all. But "NUFC is not a business". It's my club, your club, our club. So let's stop admiring Ashley for his "financial prowess" and see him for what he really is! Do you know how my heart aches to see so many websites and some commentators call SJP Sports Direct Arena? Sure it will always be called SJP. but what happens when the current generation like you and me go? I'll tell you CWL...all fans will call it SJP. Hell aren't we all accepting Ashely slowly? We NUFC fans are proving our culture means nothing to us. We will accept naming rights if it gets us 10 f*****g million a year....I'd rather see NUFC in the conference than under a FCB like Ahsley!  I am worried for the way you all are thinking if KK were to read this thread he'd be ashamed he feels so deeply for the club and its supporters. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 23:24:35 GMT 1
Magpie so you proclaim to be firmly on the anti Ashley side while stating the rest of us are anything but, what do you want a f**king medal! I have read many of your posts over the past few weeks and have come to the conclusion most of them are nothing more than an attempt to wind up other members of this forum. But of course I'm being stupid again as you are with out doubt the number one Toon fan on the Forum. The rest of us have no idea... Which probably explains why you have not bothered to try and answer any of the points I raised just deflected away from them in the usual fashion using KK as the prime defence mechanism. Well believe it or not the history of NUFC doesn't start and end with Keegan or the side he managed no matter how good it was at the time. Yes they were named the Entertainers, but still won jack shit! Mores the pity. At times you give the impression you are the only one to have experienced those seasons. Well believe it or not you weren't. As for ethos and principles well again I ask you just what are they? Come on give us a clue as I'm sure as hell not the only one wanting to know. As for me turning into an Ashley fan well you can believe that if you want. Just as I believe you are turning into an extremely bitter fan that is totally unable to accept he may be wrong and fervently hoping he is proved correct about Mike Ashley rather than have the Club he is supposed to support through thick and thin be successful, despite who owns it. CWL  |
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Post by magpie99 on Aug 25, 2012 23:51:22 GMT 1
CWL, we'll just have to agree to disagree. You have raised points which are way off the mark and I am not going to defend them because they are not true. Sometimes you got to let you in an argument. Let just agree to disagree. A picture Milkhope recently put in the Have Your Say section bears total resemblance here,  You and me need to have a sit down in Mile Castle and clear the air on some things NUFC |
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Post by magpie99 on Aug 25, 2012 23:51:48 GMT 1
I still love you though |
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Post by Fairscup on Aug 26, 2012 5:49:12 GMT 1
Our feathered friend would rather see NUFC in The Conference than under Ashley's leadership. Of all the strange statements he has come out with that one, for me tops the lot but then I'm not a diehard. PS. To quote Magpie99: "You have raised points which are way off the mark and I am not going to defend them because they are not true" One word : HILARIOUS  Now then wasn't there a towel floating around here last year? |
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Post by magpie99 on Aug 26, 2012 12:01:43 GMT 1
Our feathered friend would rather see NUFC in The Conference than under Ashley's leadership. Of all the strange statements he has come out with that one, for me tops the lot but then I'm not a diehard. PS. To quote Magpie99: "You have raised points which are way off the mark and I am not going to defend them because they are not true" One word : HILARIOUS #0bIDtlroflF# Now then wasn't there a towel floating around here last year? Fairs, the reason I didn't respond to CWL is because he accused me of winding up forum members... This is not true and this is why I left the forum the first time around. It hurts when you are accused of something you aren't doing. I know CWL asked many other questions which I could answer but he lost my respect after that PS: I should just leave Why bother! |
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Post by magpie99 on Aug 26, 2012 12:07:09 GMT 1
Yes, I love the club more than anything else but I am not being taken for a mug by Ashley like you folk. Thats what Ashley wants and by the looks of it he succeeded |
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Post by Fairscup on Aug 26, 2012 12:42:18 GMT 1
Magpie, you disrespect CWL simply because he speaks on behalf of us others and then go on and call us all mugs. I certainly know who i respect most.
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Post by magpie99 on Aug 26, 2012 13:04:01 GMT 1
Magpie, you disrespect CWL simply because he speaks on behalf of us others and then go on and call us all mugs. I certainly know who i respect most. Omg! I never meant disrespect to him or anyone I apologise if you guys took it the wrong way. If I counted the times I was disrespected I'm run out of fingers. But thats part and parcel of having heated discussions with fellow passionate toon supporters. And part of the problem is you don't respect me and hence don't even consider my view. But never mind...that won't change any time soon... Life is too short...Moving on |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 13:47:58 GMT 1
Def last word for me.......Respect is a 2 way street........in the space of 3 days you call us collectively "stupid " and "fools"............show me posts where anybody has called you names like that............
Now not only move on , but foff.
Take your jaundiced, very short Toon experience, along with your bitter , low self esteemed, martyrical, pathetic,patronizing arguments and find a group elsewhere who might appreciate them..........good luck on that one.
Now that still was respectful right?
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Keep it up.
I've seen Newcastle United win silverware!